Muslims Demand People Stop Saying “Merry Christmas!”…or Else!

November 17, 2011 at 2:06 PM 83 comments

If it wasn’t about Muslims, I’d be tempted to think this was a joke.  It’s not.  The arrogant members of the cult known as Islam insist that people who wish each other “Merry Christmas” should stop and go so far as to say that those who put up Christmas lights should go to hell.  I’m sure they mean that literally, not as a figure of speech.

They threaten ‘hell to pay’ on those who celebrate the birth of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.” [1]  Really? Uh…I’m not scared and I will NOT stop saying “Merry Christmas” because Christmas is a celebration of the birth of my Savior and Lord and if Muslims don’t like it, I suggest they either do not go out during this season, or wear earplugs.

What is interesting to note here is that Islamists are coming to believe that they have essentially gained enough power in the world that they no longer need to preach the pabulum about Islam being a religion of peace.  Even Anjem Choudary (from Great Britain; http://www.shariah4america.com) admits that it’s not in the video found on the page of Patriot Statesman.

You can’t say that…uh…Islam is a religion of peace because Islam…eh…does not mean peace.” [2]  Gee, finally, they are beginning to admit what many of us have known all along.  Islam is not a religion of peace.  In fact, while part of it is a religion, the reality is that Islam is a complete way of life.  That’s fine in and of itself, but the real problem comes to the fore when those within Islam attempt to force their Islamic beliefs on the rest of the populace.  They do this by force if necessary and most of the time, it seems as though (to them) force is necessary.

Someone might say that the “Moral Majority” was the attempt of conservative Christians to do the same thing.  Of course, they will conveniently refuse to acknowledge that the “Moral Majority” was intending to gain their moral ground through the voting process.  They did not promote death to those who did not go along with the plan.

Islamists on the other hand, use violence routinely as is evidenced in those nations like Sudan, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and elsewhere.  Once the current government was toppled, it seems that the Muslim Brotherhood, or some other branch of hard-line Islam rushes in to fill the gap.  Not long after that, Christians and other non-Muslims are routinely harassed, beaten, and even killed simply because they are not Muslim.

Of course, if all this is not enough, the Islamists in Tunisia are welcoming the “Sixth Caliphate” to the world.  It certainly appears as though Islam has picked up enough steam and is on a roll.  One site reported this information.  “Hamadi Jebeli told a rally in the city of Sousse: ‘My brothers, you are at a historic moment in a new cycle of civilisation, God willing. We are in sixth caliphate, God willing’.” [3]

For those who do not know what a caliphate is, it is essentially worldwide Islamic rule, under Sharia Law.  Put another way, “The term ‘caliphate’ refers to a governance system based on sharia law as formerly used by successive Islamic empires. It is a sensitive term in Arab politics due to its modern associations with extremist groups like al-Qaeda and especially in Tunisia where it is promoted by the radical Salafi movement, Hizb-ut-Tahrir.” [4]

If that sounds okay to you, then either you have not researched Sharia Law enough or you are a sadist.  Maybe you like the idea of people being dismembered when they steal something, or their tongues cut off when they lie, or other things besides.  The problem is that this is not the way the world should run.  Hammurabi’s code died out some time ago and I for one, am not willing to see it return.

If Islam continues to grow, I can only wonder how long it will last though?  Will Islam really have a part in the End Times scenario of the not-too-distant future?  I’m not sure.  I tend to think that it will run its course and sputter out, or be pushed back severely, but I don’t know.  It is difficult to see how Islam fits in the with Antichrist’s plans for world domination.

One thing seems to be clear.  More and more people are learning about Islam’s threat to the world and don’t like what it represents.  These people are waking up to the ramifications of a growing body of Muslims in the United States who do not want to see happen in the U.S. what has been happening in various parts of Europe where “Shariah Controlled Zones” are becoming the norm in many areas.

Anjem Choudary is from England.  This is the same man who has publicly praised the 9/11 terrorists and called for the execution of the current Pope.  At the same time, he says his group is “non-violent.”  He has made no bones about his desire to see the United States come under Sharia Law.  Of course, this would mean that the U.S. Constitution be set aside.  We currently have a man in the White House who seems oblivious to this desire, but he’s no fool.  He knows what’s going on and simply prefers to ignore it politically.  He pretends it’s not there so that he doesn’t have to answer questions about it.

For now, Islam’s momentum is building, but how far will it go?  When will the majority of people in the U.S. start to push back?  I don’t mean violently.  I mean simply saying “no” to the demands of radical Muslims.  I will not alter my speech this Christmas season simply because a group of Muslims want me to do so.  I will not stop decorating my home because Islam says that act is punishable by hell.  Who do they think they are?  If they believe that, it is one thing.  If they try to enforce it, it’s quite another.

It amazes me how many atheists still get their underpants in a knot when some cross is planned to be part of some public area, yet they fail to see the reality of Islam and how it will severely remove freedom from society.  This is yet proof of the stupidity of many atheists who believe that Christianity is the root of all evil.  While they’re busy complaining about a cross, the Ten Commandments being posted somewhere, Islam is gaining much ground in worldwide society and the damage that Islam can do socially and politically is unequaled.

Yep, I admit it.  I’ve always had a problem with someone deigning to tell me what to do, how to live, or what to say in my personal life.  As I get older, I find that it is becoming even more of a problem for me.  Will I stop saying “Merry Christmas”?  Will I stop decorating in honor of my Savior and Lord’s birth?  Nope.  In fact, I have now determined that more is better.

 

[1] http://patriotstatesman.com/2011/11/muslims-demand-all-citizens-stop-celebrating-christmas-or-there-will-be-hell-to-pay/

[2] Ibid (see video)

[3] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/tunisia/8894858/Tunisias-Islamists-hail-arrival-of-the-sixth-caliphate.html

[4] Ibid

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Is There a Connection Between Barack Obama and Larry Sinclair? It Is Time for Education About Islam

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  • 1. Sherry  |  December 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    You know how I feel about Christ-Mass but I’m tempted to put up holiday lights just because it does offend muslims. It offends me to see Christians celebrating a pagan holiday but I do not want to see it stopped in our nation because that is not what we are about. I forget who said it (you, modres?) that this is not a war on Christ Mass but a war on Christianity (I can concede that people who don’t know the roots of this holiday, or could care less, think its a christian holiday).

    I’m sharing this because you wrote a great article and also because of the debate in the comment line. There’s alot to learn so I’m looking past my feelings on Christ Mass to share this. God bless you, modres, in all you do for our Lord and Savior!

    • 2. modres  |  December 9, 2012 at 7:42 PM

      God bless you as well! :-)

  • 3. Aneeza  |  December 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM

    This is my final comment just to clear up your misunderstanding, I didn’t come on here to argue with you because there is no point, there’s too much negativity in the world already. These people that are causing suffering around the world be it Muslim, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs or Atheist are no brothers of mine because I don’t think violence and wars solve anything.

    God bless!

    • 4. modres  |  December 8, 2011 at 9:19 AM

      Okay, thanks. The reality though is that Islam is doing the perpetrating the majority of violence and persecution throughout the world whether you or any other Muslim is willing to admit it. Do I have to remind you what the Muslim Brotherhood is doing to Coptic Christians in Egypt? Do you want me to tell you what Muslims are doing to Buddhists in Asia? Do I need to point out to you what Muslims are doing to those who are not Muslim in various parts of Africa?

      I’m sorry you are either unwilling or simply too blind to see it. Muslims who perpetrate this type of evil are doing so in the name of Allah, the same Allah you worship. It is tragic and Muslims who are unwilling to condemn that violence are just as culpable.

  • 5. Aneeza  |  December 7, 2011 at 3:12 PM

    I am a Muslim and have absolutely no problem with anyone saying Merry Christmas or putting up Christmas lights, each to their own. We live in a country where democracy is the way, we have the freedom of speech and the freedom to celebrate our traditions be it Christmas, Eid, Diwali, Hanukkah, etc. We should have the decency to respect each others traditions and feelings.

    Before you begin posting verses from the Qur’an you need to make sure the translations is what the Arabic is saying, as many people translate the Qur’an to suit what they want it to say. This is becaue Islam has many different groups of Muslim such as, Sunni, Shia, Whabi, Sufi, etc, as does Christanity who has Catholics, protestants, etc.

    This is for those ranting on saying the Qur’an has 109 verses promating hatred, before you jump on the bandwagon please purchase ‘The Noble Qur’an’ and read the translations as this is the closest translation of the Arabic. The following verses are from this Qur’an, and I do request anyone who is thinking of just pasting verses from the internet to please read the Qur’an and paste verses from this Quran with the references so I can check them out.

    “And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)”
    This is the actual meaning of the verse that kept getting pasted before, Muslims are told to stand up against those who are physicaly harming them not those living peacefully.

    “Say, ‘The truth is from your Lord’: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):……(The Noble Quran, 18:29)”

    “Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)”
    This is what Islam promotes: each to their own, everyone has the right to live their life the way they want to!

    One last thing on the debate of what Islam means, ‘In Arabic, the word “Islam” means submission or surrender – however, it was derived from the root word “salam”. From this root word, you can also derive the words peace and safety.’ [1] It couldn’t be any more simple.

    Ref:
    [1]= http://muslimvoices.org/word-islam-meaning/

    • 6. modres  |  December 7, 2011 at 4:20 PM

      I’m glad you have no problem with people saying “Merry Christmas,” not that it would matter because people would still say it.

      Regarding the correct translation of the Qur’an, I guess my question would be how do you know that the version YOU read is the correct version?

      Moreover, you said it yourself – “as many people translate the Qur’an to suit what they want it to say.” It is obvious that whether or not you have the “correct” translation or not, there are obviously a multitude of Muslims throughout the word who would disagree with YOU. They see something else entirely in the Qur’an. You need to be talking to THOSE Muslims.

      Regarding Christianity and its many groups, there is a HUGE difference between that and the groups within Islam. For one thing, the Bible itself is quite old and there are thousands upon thousands of manuscripts (partial or otherwise) through which we have verified the actual verbiage of each book of the Bible. In fact, there are some 27,000 complete and partial manuscripts that have allowed us to verify the verbiage.

      This is absolutely not the case for the Qur’an, which of course is a relatively new book (from around A.D. 600/700 and covers a span of approximately 22 years of the life of one man. At one point, there were so many different Qur’ans out there that Islamic scholars had to come together to eliminate many translations, narrowing it down to just a few.

      The Qur’ans I have are different versions translated by Arab individuals who were born into the Arab culture and speak and write the language fluently. I hear what you are saying – that people tend to translate the Qur’an based on their own particular point of view. In such a case, since the actual “original” Qur’an is not available, there is no way to verify which translation is truest. In that sense, The Noble Qur’an might be what you like, but there is no guarantee that it is closest to the original Qur’an.

      “This is for those ranting on saying the Qur’an has 109 verses promating hatred, before you jump on the bandwagon please purchase ‘The Noble Qur’an’ and read the translations as this is the closest translation of the Arabic.”

      How do you KNOW this is the case? Have you ever read or seen the original Qur’an? Does Islam possess ORIGINAL manuscripts or immediate copies of original manuscripts of the Qur’an? Based on the history of the Qur’an, this is seriously doubtful. Had this been the case, then obviously, there would be far more harmony between all the translations.

      You said, “We should have the decency to respect each others traditions and feelings.”

      I agree, but tell me, why aren’t you pointing this out to your Muslim brothers who believe that the Qur’an teaches violence against those who are not Muslim? You don’t need to tell ME this because I believe everyone should be allowed to choose their own religion (or not). The problem with Islam is that there are way too many Muslims who want to foist Islam upon the entire world. Just because you believe that they are basing their judgments on a wrong translation of the Qur’an does not absolve you of the responsibility of telling them they are wrong.

      Instead, you come here to my blog to tell me that I’m wrong. I’m NOT wrong because there are multitudes of Muslims throughout the world who DO believe there are at least 109 verses in the Qur’an that teach violence or hatred. It’s not a “rant,” but a truth that you prefer not to admit.

      You said, “One last thing on the debate of what Islam means, ‘In Arabic, the word “Islam” means submission or surrender – however, it was derived from the root word “salam”. From this root word, you can also derive the words peace and safety.’ [1] It couldn’t be any more simple.”

      Imam Anjem Choudary from England would disagree with you. He stated point blank in a recent TV interview that Islam is not a religion of peace, but one of submission.

      I realize that you would disagree with his assessment, but again, since there are many Muslims throughout the world who believe that Islam means submission, then obviously I did not simply make it up, did I? These Muslims believe that all people WILL submit to Allah one day.

      Moderate Muslims can argue with me all day long, but the problem is that in doing so, you completely ignore the problems that are being created within Islam by radicals. While you are telling me one thing, your radical brothers are doing the opposite, yet I am supposed to take your word for it and ignore the radicals. I would if they were extremely small in numbers, but they are not. They are very large in numbers.

      You telling me to read The Noble Qur’an makes no sense, as long as there are Muslims in this world who DO believe that the Qur’an promotes hatred and violence. You’re barking up the wrong tree.

      Tell the radical jihadists that they are wrong because they have the wrong translation. Go ahead…I dare you.

      • 7. Aneeza  |  December 8, 2011 at 6:01 AM

        Islam does possess parts of the original manuscript written by the third Calipha Uthman in 651 A.D, approximatly 19 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Before this the Qur’an was taught through memory and parts was wirtten on wood but during Uthman’s life he made five copies of the Qur’an. One third of the original Qur’an is inTashkent, the capital of Uzbekhistan and there is some more in the Topkapi Palace in Istambul, Turkey.

        ‘Moderate Muslims can argue with me all day long, but the problem is that in doing so, you completely ignore the problems that are being created within Islam by radicals. While you are telling me one thing, your radical brothers are doing the opposite, yet I am supposed to take your word for it and ignore the radicals. I would if they were extremely small in numbers, but they are not. They are very large in numbers.’

        Can you tell me in approximate numbers with a reference the ratio of these radical Muslims, as you call them, compared to what you class as moderate Muslims?

        The actual meaning of the word ‘Islam’ does mean to submit, however the word ‘Islam’ is derived from the word ‘Salam’ which means peace. The meaning of the word is not as important as what the religion teaches us, which are the five pillars of Islam: Belief in God and the Prophet, to read salah, to fast, to give to charity and to go on pilgrimmage to Makkah.

        As far as me telling the extremist, I do when I come accross one through blogs. So far I have never met one face to face but if I ever do I will tell them, I am not scared to say the truth about what Islam teaches.

        Please, can you tell one of these ‘multitude of Muslims across the world’ you are mentioning to come and write their views here so can tell them the truth, where you will be able to see it aswell.

        Just so I can understand properly why you wrote this blog, has a Muslim come up to you and told you not to say ‘Merry Christmas’ because thats whats Islam teaches? Or have you read in the Qur’an maybe that you are not allowed to say ‘Merry Christmas’?

      • 8. modres  |  December 8, 2011 at 6:40 AM

        Aneeza, I don’t have time to play your games. It is obvious that you are far more interested in arguing with me than you are in condemning the violence of your radical brothers. That is the sign of a moderate who is not a moderate. It’s called “stealth jihad.”

        Did you not read my article? Had you done so, you would know why I wrote the article and where the information came from. It was based on another article reporting on groups of Muslims in Europe who decided that people should no longer say “Merry Christmas” and those who put lights on their homes should go to hell. I quoted from the original article and linked to it.

        No Muslim has come up to me and told me not to say “Merry Christmas.” That’s not the way it works. Normally, they gather in large groups and simply PROTEST and work themselves up into a frenzy. They don’t do this one on one because they only have bravery in numbers. It would be pointless for one Muslim to come up to one person and tell them to stop saying “Merry Christmas.”

        Look Aneeza, I don’t care if you disagree with me at all. It is clear that you think I’m wrong in spite of the evidence to the contrary. It is also clear that you don’t care how much violent suffering your radical brothers cause throughout the world.

        You seem blind to the problems in the UK, the Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, France, and even in places in the U.S. like Michigan.

        Do you want a true translation of the Qur’an, then I suggest this site: http://thestraightway.org/

        You can spend your time arguing with the gentleman who runs that site: Usama Dakdok. He grew up in Egypt, speaks Arabic fluently, and translated the Qur’an into English. Oh, he is also now a Christian. Go argue with him.

  • 9. Sherry  |  December 5, 2011 at 9:34 PM

    As a Reformed Christian I am among many who cannot celebrate the christianized pagan holiday, Christmas, in good conscience. But, this does tempt me! :mad:

    Its not just the atheists this year…

  • 10. none  |  December 2, 2011 at 1:37 AM

    Dear all, to clear up any misconceptions islam is a religion of peace- the Quran prescribes this throughout- no where are muslims instructed to be harsh or inflict any pain or disrespect on other religious groups- in fact the quran emhasis that we respect other religions, also there is no complusion in religion! This is also demonstrated by prophet mohamad (pbuh) in his day to day life, one simple example would be how he once had a jewish neighbour whom kept throwing rubbish at his house, constantly the prophet will go and remove the mess created without inflicting any harm or even approaching the neigbour about this matter. One day the neighbour hadnt thrown any rubbish at his neighbour, so the prophet whom was a PEACEFUL character knocked on the door to make sure the neighbour was ok, it turned out the neighbour was very sick, in response to this the prophet took care of the neighbour! This simple example represents how islams greatest role model himself showed peace and respect to other religions even when he wasnt treated rightfully, so to accuse all muslims of being extremist is a totally WRONG answer!!
    there are (like every other religion) people whom are outliers or exteremist this should not be the bases for classifying all muslims under that title.

    I dont mean to offend, hope i shed some light.

    • 11. modres  |  December 2, 2011 at 7:21 AM

      Dear None,

      It always amazes me when people like you write, with your declarative statements concerning Islam. First, it is clear you have NOT read the Qur’an, at least from a literal perspective. Had you done so, you would understand WHY there are MANY radical Muslims who believe as they do and stand opposite you.

      Second, I have NEVER accused all Muslims of being extremists and I try to make that clear each time I write about Islam or speak about it.

      Third, you also obviously have no clue as to Muhammad’s actual life and all the slaughtering he personally involved himself in for the cause of Islam.

      I wish I had time to quote ALL the Qur’anic verses that provoke Muslims to jihad against non-Muslims, but I don’t. There are at least 109 verses that promote this agenda. Here are just a few that should suffice to prove your error:

      Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

      “The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from “fitna” which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until “religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.” [1]

      Here is another example:

      Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-”

      This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse)“.[2]

      As I say, there are at least 109 verses in the Qur’an which encourage violence against infidels (non-Muslims) and not simply in defense as some erroneously believe.

      I’m not sure which Qur’an you’re reading, but obviously you are either reading it allegorically (not understanding the life and times of Muhammad when he said these things), or you are not reading it at all. In order to make your sweeping generalizations as you’ve done, it has to be one or the other.

      By the way, your story about Muhammad is interesting, but difficult to believe because it goes against the nature of his own lifestyle, beliefs, and attitudes toward others, especially Jews. It’s kind of like his “miracle” of flying on a donkey to heaven and back. No one saw it at all, but that was Muhammad’s testimony. Why should we believe it?

      The many miracles that Jesus performed were seen by many and in some cases, thousands.

      [1] http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
      [2] Ibid

  • 12. walt  |  November 30, 2011 at 3:34 PM

    re #38, it is both and the two are like “Fruit” and “Apple” we are not a direct democracy, but we are a representative democracy. There are constitutional republics which are not democratic! got it mikey?

  • 13. walt  |  November 30, 2011 at 3:21 PM

    Re: #35 reply to myself above. Sorry about the “likes of you” yes it does have a slur within. Accept an apology. The “camel Jockey” comment was by some one else way back in the thread. While I can certainly grin and understand the feeling, I had to point out that it is not very accurate when describing a religion so geograpthically dispersed…

    We agree: aginst Sharia. As for democracy, I have come to understand the wisdom behind “the people is a beast.” and the need to defend minorities against the tyrany of the majority. But ah- to much tolerance here as for Sharia and Rad Islam, too little for those who have differing economic views- seems we are all still ‘spozed to fall down before Keynes.

    I did put patriot in “—” marks because I am of the same perspective you lay out: that there is a difference between patriots and those who use the term as a moral whitewash for a program to overthrow the Republic.

    As for the 70&, I too am taken by that figure. I am still in the read, might even contact the author…and will get back. If it is true, all more weight behind the arguments of how dangerous the radicals are! And I am Not under ANY illusion they wish to coexist.

    May I go on a limb? I was brought up 7th Day Adventist. Part of the Awakening of the early 19th century, big on old testiment rules- Saturday the Sabbath, eat no shellfish nor pork etcetc. And since falling away I still study the history of the Bible, its political journey since Rome took over…and am of the opinion that you and everyone must be aware it is an ANTHOLOGY! A politically edited anthology. To me that matters little. It is not the words nor the version, for the spirit lives transcendentally beyond them. No, I do not accept the Nicean Creed mandated by those Roman/Babylonian pervs. Nor do i accept the Zarathustran baggage.

    Mikey- How many abortion doctor murders versus how many child bombs? please keep perspective. No religion nor political movement can rein in all the excesses taken in its name. No one dies here for condemning antiabortion actions. This is more than a matter of quantity/degrees. It IS a matter of essential quality.

    What galls me: that the Christian America seems in the thrall of Social Darwinism, and that that economic argument allows our moral capitalism to transform into dog eat dog. Not all critiques of the current state of affairs are partisan. I am not. I see perversions of Democracy, capitalism, the social contract of We the People…all across the political spectrum, truncated as it is these days. The center is not holding. Daniel’s “feet of clay” could not be improved upon as a symbol for our affairs. So here I say, the elect have been deceived! This galls me more than the hubris of “Secular” “Humanism” which is merely part of that worldview. I am not a Christian, but I too can reject this crap! I would use a stronger word for S.H. and even as I revere the Enlightenment, as it occured, not as we have come to distort it!

    • 14. modres  |  November 30, 2011 at 7:53 PM

      I would disagree with you on your understanding of the Bible. You see it as an anthology? Interesting, but it is far more than that. Yes, there is One “compiler” as it were and many authors, but it was the Compiler who gathered the authors, ignited within them the thoughts and ideas He wanted expressed through their work, using their personalities and unique perspectives.

      You said, “Not all critiques of the current state of affairs are partisan. I am not. I see perversions of Democracy, capitalism, the social contract of We the People…all across the political spectrum, truncated as it is these days.”

      I agree. In my mind, the entire system – at least major parts of it – have been corrupted and that goes across the aisles from one side to the other. It’s a shame but I do not believe there is much hope in sight. We are moving toward a new system, one that will also ultimately fail.

  • 15. Iman El-Maghribi  |  November 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM

    What a shame that in this day and age we still have prejudice instead of tolerance, that we still must face the hatred of others who refuse to see the likenesses in our religion rather than the differences, and that we must suffer the ignorance of others about our religion when clearly the verses in Qur’an are only meant for defense and not aggression or oppression of others. In fact, non-Muslims have certain rights given them that Muslims don’t have. Did you know for example that non-Muslims can live in a Muslim country and opt out of serving in the military? Yet they enjoy the protection it serves them. This blog clearly shows that there are many who still need to be educated about Islam. And here, I will say it, “Merry Christmas”, even though the holiday predates Christianity and its origin is pagan. Even though it was not a holiday which entered the church until the year 325 AD at the Council of Nicea. Even though the bible clearly states in the book of Jeremiah that we “should not do as the pagans do and fix a tree with nails and decorate it in gold and silver”. Even though most biblical scholars say Jesus was not born on Decenber 25th. And even though the people who benefit from the holiday most are not the needy of the world, they are the department stores selling the lights and gifts to family and friends which are seldom appreciated. So while the children are crying from swollen empty bellies in Africa and Palestine (where Palestinian Christians suffer as much as their Muslim neighbors at the hands of Zionists), “Merry Christmas” to you.

    • 16. modres  |  November 30, 2011 at 9:30 AM

      I agree. It IS a shame that there are so many radical/extremists Muslims who are so intolerant of anyone who is not part of the Islamic ideology. If not for these individuals, Islam would certainly have a completely different face to it.

      Unfortunately, even in your comments, rather than oppose radicalism that is deeply seated within the confines of Islam, you choose instead to attack me and Christianity.

      As I have stated before, I am well aware of the pagan origins of the time of the Christmas season. I have also stated that there is nothing at all wrong with Christians who wish to take a pagan holiday that the world celebrates and turn it into something that Christians can celebrate. It is overcoming evil by replacing it with good.

      The book of Jeremiah – as with most Old Testament books – was written to JEWS of the nation of ISRAEL. I am not Jewish. The reality is that there were so many pagan practices during the OT times that involved worshiping false deities. Jeremiah refers to one of them, which God said was forbidden to the Jewish nation. When I decorate for Christmas, I am not worshiping anything except Jesus – the true reason for the season.

      Just as in Deuteronomy, which is filled with many laws that were given to the nation of Israel, I am not obligated to follow those laws. Israel was to be a nation that stood out and was separated from the pagan nations surrounding her. For instance, Israel was told not to boil a kid goat in its mother’s milk. Why? Because it was part of a religious practice of pagans at the time. If I did this today, there would be absolutely NO religious significance to it at all.

      This is the tragic part about people who read the Bible but do not understand how to interpret it because unlike the Qur’an, the Bible actually has a context. Without the context, the Bible can be made to say anything at all.

      People like yourself who believe that there are only a few extremists within Islam are absolutely wrong.

      Certainly you know what dhimmitude is and your references to what non-Muslims (you mean, infidels) can or cannot do is not as accurate as you wish to make it sound.

      Are you aware that in this country – the United States – if Obama’s healthcare package is upheld by the Supreme Court, Muslims will be exempt from having to BUY health insurance because of their ideology. They will STILL receive coverage, but it will be free. The rest of us will pay for it.

      When you tell me about the Qur’an and what the verses “really” mean, you are completely missing the point that there are extremists all over the world who do not understand the Qur’an as you do. These radicals regularly kill people, believe that they will be rewarded with 70 virgins in the next life, and do everything they can to oppose freedom and democracy because that is what they believe the Qur’an teaches.

      It has long been known that there are at least two camps within Islam. You merely represent one of them. Opposite you are thousands upon thousands of Muslims who take the Qur’an literally (as opposed to your decision to view the Qur’an figuratively) and live their lives in such a way that reflects the literalness of the Qur’anic teachings.

      Of course, you had to mention “Zionists.” Let’s talk about the Coptic Christians and other “infidels” in Egypt and elsewhere in North Africa. Let’s discuss how they are being beaten, killed, their churches burned or bulldozed to the ground all because they are not Muslim. Let’s discuss the Muslim Brotherhood at some length.

      You refuse to see the faults of Islam, preferring only to point out the perceived faults of Christianity and others.

      You unfortunately, have a great deal to learn but I’m sure you believe you have arrived at a certain level of knowledge that places you above people like me.

      Islam is a tragic excuse for a religion. It was born in violence and it continues to spread its message through violence. Until you are willing to see and admit to all the problems that Islam has created in the world (and continues to create), you are fully unable to be educated.

  • 17. Joann  |  November 28, 2011 at 8:20 PM

    I will always celebrate Christmas and hope everyone I know
    Does the same…….I love the Lord!!!!!!! The Muslim people
    Need to go home or change to the ways of our country.God is
    The only way ……..AMEN.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • 19. MAZEN  |  November 28, 2011 at 1:24 PM

    I am not judging or condemning any of your comment but I am simply trying to tell you what Islam is really all about.

    And yes as a Muslim I must tell others to respect other religions and prophets and that’s what many Muslims do.

    Also, I wanted to tell you that I defend other religions as well and I think that what all people regardless their religion should do.

    And thanks for your understanding and polite reply.

    • 20. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 1:57 PM

      Thank you, but I am very aware of what Islam is all about. I have many, MANY books written by people who have left it and I have the Qur’an and have read it for myself, along with the Hadith. I have also studied the history of Muhammad.

      I am not trying to condemn you or your religion. What I am trying to do is educate people so that more will come to understand that today’s Islam seeks the next caliphate from which it will rule the entire world.

      Are you aware of just how many countries have now succumbed to Islam? Great Britain, The Netherlands, France, Belgium, and others. In these countries, “Sharia-Controlled Zones” are the norm and if you are not a Muslim, but an “infidel” you had best not venture inside one of those zones.

      Are you aware that ALL of the rapes in Norway last year were perpetrated by Muslim men against non-Muslim women? The police are completely confounded about how to alleviate the problem.

      Are you aware that every day, old men are marrying young girls – some as young as 6 to 8?

      Are you aware that many Muslims daily call for the total eradication of Jews and the Qur’an supports them in their tyranny against Israel?

      The ONLY way a person such as yourself can be a “peaceful” or “moderate” Muslim is by ALLEGORIZING the Qur’an. IF you read the Qur’an as a metaphor or take many portions of it symbolically.

      The problem of course is that WAY too many Muslims take the Qur’an literally and because of that, they involve themselves in unspeakable crimes against humanity.

      The other problem is that there are not enough so-called moderate or peaceful Muslims who are willing to step up and condemn the actions of the radical Muslims.

  • 21. MAZEN  |  November 28, 2011 at 1:04 PM

    who are you people to judge people’s religions ??

    i just would like to say being a Muslim is completely different from being an extremist (or terrorist). Islam is a religion of peace and forgiveness. Islam is also not against freedom of speech. As a Muslim you are obliged to respect other religions and prophets.
    And please I would like to ask you as polite as possible not to offend Prophet Mohammed.

    I also would like to say Merry Christmas to all Christians.

    P.S.: I am a Muslim

    • 22. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM

      Thank you for your comments. I’m not judging religions. I am commenting on what I see as the problems within Islam. Islam seems not to be a religion of peace and Imam Anjem Choudary recently admitted that Islam is not a religion of peace, but a religion of submission.

      While you believe Muslims are “obliged to respect other religions and prophets,” it would appear that this sentiment is lost on many of your Islamic brethren.

      Maybe YOU should take the time to tell THEM what you are telling me because somewhere along the lines, they did not learn the same message about Islam as you did.

      So while you are judging and condemning my comments, you are giving your radical Muslim brothers a free pass. That’s a shame and it is not very peaceful of you.

  • 23. Radcorad  |  November 28, 2011 at 1:01 PM

    I think it is simple to explain. We are American’s. Some of us very Patriotic. What gives anyone the right to come to this country and try to tell us how we may live? I have no problem with the muslim way of life. I just don’t want to see it in America. I also don’t think American’s should be in muslim countries trying to promote christianity.

    This nation has a Constitution. Laws that are set. Not to be molded into something else for profit religion or any other reason.

    I will gladly turn the other cheek. If you don’t like the way we run our country then please just leave.

    At one time immigrants came to America and assimilated to American life. Now they want to make it like the place they left. If it was so great, why did they leave?

    • 24. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 1:18 PM

      I agree. I don’t mind people choosing Islam as their religion or ideology at all. What bothers me is when Islam attempts to extend itself into all walks of life and even into the lives of those who are NOT Islamic. Islam does this by expecting special privileges and the world caves into these demands. In doing so, we lose a bit of freedom because many within Islam pretend that they do not really know better so it is justifiable to give Muslims what they want. They do this without realizing that it is simply another attempt by Islam to encroach into all areas of life.

  • 25. Rev Michael Carbone  |  November 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM

    It is so interesting reading the posts on here. We are all one in gods eyes how ever you decide to give god a name. God spoke to each culture around the world in a way we would understand, thus creating the different religions. All book religions have a prophet. BUT All religions have a founding theme – LOVE! UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! Yet most religions have a few powerful radicals who interpret the writings and teachings to suit their own agenda and needs.

    I’m not defending any one religion, not putting any one down, but here are some facts some people seem to want to forget.

    1 – the Crusades! main theme convert or be killed
    2 – this holiday season of Christmas was actually created to convert pagans (December 21′st Pagan Holiday of Yule – Winter Solstice)
    3 – ALL Christian Holidays are based on Pagan Holidays – this was to try to convert Pagans to christianity – when that didn’t work – see #1
    4 – the bible was written by MEN (prophets, seers, witnesses) – some who according to some beliefs would be
    5 – a Pagan put the bible together! OMG a Pagan put it all together!
    6 – he chose what to put in so that he could gain CONTROL

    Referring to Pagans – another world religion – yes it is a religion – and yet, hmmm you don’t hear of Pagans killing people in order to convert them, you don’t hear about Pagan terrorists, yet they get persecuted, tortured and killed. Don’t think so? See #1 above and also remember here in the US – Salem Witch Hunts/Trials!

    I can not really say anything about Islam since I do not know a lot about it – what I do know is this – the basis is LOVE – another thing that is true is that SOME radicals twist the writings to suit their own agenda and needs. Why? The same reason the bible was put together – CONTROL!

    No other religion was or will be mentioned in this reply since it seems the thread/post is about Islam and Christianity.

    I am a Metaphysical Minister – I worship something greater than the physical – GOD! Yes it’s the same god as the christians worship, the same god as the Muslims worship, the same one that all religions worship. I worship, honor and respect ALL religions.

    For god spoke to each culture around the world in a way we would understand and we interpreted the spoken words – from Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, seers, prophets, etc… into a belief system that became a religion.

    It should not matter who believes in what or why, what should matter is the INDIVIDUAL’s personal beliefs – are they of unconditional love?

    Do you, the person reading this post love/like people for WHO they are and not for what they believe in? (Put aside religious beliefs and political affiliation). If you said NO – you take their religious beliefs and/or political affiliation into account for friends/family in order to love/like them – I pray and feel for you for leading such a lonely, narrow minded life.

    No one religion is wrong AND No one religion is right! What truly matters is that one believe in a power greater/higher than themselves!

    Like it or not, there is more than 1 religion who celebrates during this time of the year. You are not honoring god when you force your religion on others, you are not honoring god when you do not acknowledge another persons beliefs, you are not honoring god when you put others down for their beliefs.

    You will get exhausted when you try to correctly greet everyone according to their religious beliefs. So what’s wrong with saying Happy Holidays! After all isn’t Holidays really HOLY days? This does not take Christ out of Christmas – writing Xmas does that!

    You can say what you want about me, it truly doesn’t matter – what does matter is this – may your holiday season be blessed with UNCONDITIONAL LOVE! just like YOUR/MINE/THEIR god intends for each of us!

    • 26. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM

      Michael,

      You cannot say on one hand that you are “not defending any one religion, not putting any one down” and then simply attack ONE religion: Christianity. That’s asinine.

      Your OPINION is that Christianity is born of paganism. I get it. The reality is that no, it wasn’t, anymore than it was born of Mithraism.

      Why SHOULDN’T Christians take pagan holidays and turn them into something they can use to recognize aspects of Christianity? This is not always the case however, as in the examples of Good Friday and Palm (or Easter) Sunday. We KNOW when these occurred.

      Your post is filled with your opinions, yet you present them as if they are unqualified FACT (“No one religion is wrong AND No one religion is right!”) Where do you come up with these inane profundities?

      You boast of Unconditional love, yet it is clear that you have no clue what it is all about.

      You also admit you know little of Islam. I would strongly suggest that you START to learn.

      You say there is a “god” yet apparently, this god of yours was not at all powerful enough to write anything, because all holy books (according to you) were written by MEN. However, this fails completely to address all of the fulfilled prophecies in Scripture, some related to Israel, some related to Jesus, and still others related to the End Times.

      You said, “Like it or not, there is more than 1 religion who celebrates during this time of the year. You are not honoring god when you force your religion on others, you are not honoring god when you do not acknowledge another persons beliefs, you are not honoring god when you put others down for their beliefs.”

      Christianity is the ONLY religion that celebrates the true meaning of Christmas – the birth of Jesus. He came to live a life of perfection, die a painful death so that we might be offered true salvation, then rose again. Obviously, you do not believe that, but Christmas is far more than simple gushy feelings.

      You note that I am not honoring god when I force my religion on others. Really? Yet, this is EXACTLY what Islam is doing NOW in various parts of the world. Or maybe you are unaware of the Coptic Christians being killed in Egypt by Muslim forces.

      You say that I am not honoring god when I do not acknowledge another person’s beliefs. Really? I absolutely acknowledge the beliefs of Islam. The problem is that because I acknowledge Islam’s true history and beliefs, I am called out or told I am being critical.

      You say that I am not honoring god when I put others down for their beliefs, yet your entire post is critical of Christianity and me. By the same token, to CRITICALLY examine another’s beliefs is no different from what has been done with Christianity. Your comments prove it. You essentially have stated that the Bible was NOT written by God, but by men. Yet the Bible itself claims to have been written by God in several places, therefore you disagree with the Bible.

      You condemn aspects of church history (the inquisitions, etc.) as do I, however, you view those events as being PART of Christianity, when it is clear that they had nothing to do with Christianity at all.

      Moreover, this type of hubris perpetrated by Constantine and others within the Roman Catholic Church, were done centuries ago. Is it now the time for Islam to do the same? It would certainly seem to be because that is what exists around the world and unfortunately, it is not merely perpetrated by a “few extremists,” but by thousands upon thousands of Muslims throughout the world. We are beginning to see this come out strongly in the state of Michigan and in Tennessee.

      Michael, you are blind and the reason you are blind is due to your misunderstanding of unconditional love. You may think that you exercise it, but you are far from it and your comments prove it.

      By your reasoning, I should not critique or condemn the actions of Jim Jones. After all, it was his religion that determined his actions. Never mind that his religion was only in the NAME of Jesus, but catered only to Jim Jones.

      If you do not believe that too many Muslims throughout the world too quickly resort to violence when they do not get their way, then you are truly blind indeed. Wake up!

      By the way, I take serious issue with your belief that you worship the same God as I do (your reference to the metaphysical). God is a PERSON. You worship an ethereal impersonal idea or force that you believe controls this universe.

      There are many references throughout Scripture where Jesus either claimed to be God or was attributed as being God in the flesh. God is personally involved in upholding the entirety of Creation. He knows more about you than you know yourself.

      The god you worship is NOT the God I worship, nor is the God I worship the same god that Muslims worship. There is NO connection and if you truly understand what authentic Christianity was all about, you would know that. However, it is clear that while you know little about Islam, you know just as little about Christianity. I’m not saying that to be mean or counterproductive. I’m merely saying what is obvious.

      The New Age movement and all of its subcategories has absolutely no basis in authentic Christianity. The two are not at all interchangeable, nor are they similar.

      In my view – because I take the Bible seriously – the motivating factor behind the New Age movement and religions such as yours is found in the demonic realm. It is interesting that the oldest lie in the book – “ye shall be as gods” – is the very foundation of the New Age movement. You’ve come to believe that and unfortunately, it is the exact same lie that we read of in Genesis 3. There’s nothing new under the sun. Simply a different way of expressing it.

      • 27. Mikey  |  November 28, 2011 at 1:57 PM

        But Christians are perfect? We saw the segregation of many churches in the 60′s & 70′s, where blacks were not welcome in the House of God. We saw the cross’s burning in the name of Christianity. We see so much hate preached against homosexuality, yet adulterers like Newt (a multiple offender) get off lightly. Let us not forget hypocrites like Swaggert, Bakker, so many, and don’t get me started with the wacky Westboro Baptist Church, or the airhead Pat Robertson. A group of money maiing hypocrites. There are many passages in the bible where pne should five what the have to the poor. Yet clowns like Janes Dobson, Robertson, Falwell (when he was alive) raked in millions to support their oppulant life style. Lastly, look at the amazing hate mail Rev Gene Robinson received after being consecrated Bishop in New Hampshire. And this is the religion of peace & love? I think not. We could also look at the history of churches in WWII.

        You can point to the extremism in Islam, but the fact is, most are not. In fact like Christians, most people just want to live their lives, raise their children. They don’t follow the Koran, word for word, neither do Chritians. In fact no Christian can.

      • 28. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM

        Hey Mikey,

        How many Christians do you know who have strapped on bombs and blown themselves and other innocent people up?

        How many Christians have destroyed life and limb as radical Muslims are doing today?

        While you make some good points, what you and too many are confused about is what constitutes an AUTHENTIC Christian.

        You are pointing to people who SAY they are Christian. Are they? Obviously not based on their actions, correct?

        But the other point you make is not true. Just because I POINT OUT what the Bible teaches about homosexuality for instance, you come along and say that I am a “hate-monger” when in point of fact I am not hating anyone. I am simply relaying what Scripture says about homosexuality. It’s like saying “Prostitution is wrong.” Am I hating prostitutes? Not at all, but merely pointing out that it is a sin as far as God is concerned.

        Jesus Himself taught the parable of the wheat and the tares. The tares were planted in the field of a farmer who planted wheat. Why did the enemy plant tares? Because he wanted to ruin that farmer’s wheat crop. The concept here is that no sooner did the church begin when the enemy came and filled the visible church with tares. These are people who SAY they are Christians and may even BELIEVE they are Christians, but they are NOT Christians.

        The true definition of being a Christian is found in John 3 and Romans 10. Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus and told him that unless a person is born again or born from above, they have not received salvation.

        Christianity in its truest sense of the word is a RELATIONSHIP with Jesus, not simply going to church, or going through the motions.

        It is mindboggling to me how many people like you want to stand on the sidelines and point out the hypocrites in Christianity. Go head if it makes you feel better but Jesus also said that it is the sick that need a doctor.

        You wrongly believe that if a person SAYS they are a Christian, that makes them one.

        You also wrongly believe that if a person SAYS they are a Christian, they will NEVER sin again. How asinine is that?

        There is no such thing as perfection in this life. Even the apostle Paul did not have it and complained about that fact in Romans 7. He desperately wanted to live a life that pleased God ALL the time, but here’s the thing. Even though as a Christian I am BORN AGAIN, the sin nature remains with me until I leave this life.

        You are correct when you say that Christians cannot follow the Bible word for word. The fact that we cannot fulfill the Law of God on a continual basis is proof enough that we need something that only HE can provide – salvation. That salvation comes in the form of being born again and it is when the Holy Spirit takes up residence inside a person and then seals that person until the day of redemption, which is the “day” AFTER I die.

        There are MANY charlatans who use Christianity as a means to make money. Paul, Peter, Jude, John and others wrote about them in the New Testament. Those charlatans existed during the time the apostles were ALIVE. How much more do you think they will exist NOW?

        The people you name – Swaggert, Bakker, Robertson, Westboro Baptist Church, and others all certainly seem like the ultimate in hypocrisy. They may well be not truly saved at all, but are merely TARES and will never be WHEAT.

        You can read about the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13, if you’d care to do so. Jesus was not an idiot. He knew what was going to happen to His church which is why He said that the gates of hell will not prevail against it (cf. Matthew 16). Hell would certainly TRY and that’s what they’ve been doing, but to honestly believe that the charlatans who SAY they are Christians actually ARE Christians is extremely naive on your part.

        Does that fact make Christianity disingenuous? Hardly. In fact, it proves that what Jesus taught has come to pass.

        People who send hate mail to Gene Robinson are wrong. People who threaten to bomb abortion clinics or shoot abortion doctors in the name of Jesus are WRONG. What’s been happening in Ireland for generations is WRONG.

        But you are looking at all those people and situations and assuming that that is Christianity when in point of fact, you have no clue about what constitutes Christianity. I run into this all the time.

        Was Anders Breivik (shooter in Norway) actually a police officer? He was dressed like one and he acted like one so that the youth would not be afraid of him. It gave him the perfect opportunity to kill them because they had no reason to run away. Surely, you don’t believe he was a police officer or that his actions are reflective of actual police officers. Yet, you have no problem condemning Christians for the actions of individuals who SAY they are Christians.

        Yes, Breivik also listed himself as a Christian on his social networking page. Again, so? If we understand how people in Europe view themselves, he likely saw himself as a Christian simply because at one time he attended a church and because he also believed himself to be part of the growing resurgence of the Knights Templar. Did his actions PROVE his Christianity? No, they proved that he was NOT a Christian.

        This is the main problem. People see Christianity as an ideology that you can believe in one day and reject the next. That’s NOT what the Bible teaches about Christianity. The new birth is what occurs when salvation is given (John 3). How can a person be “unborn again”? It can’t happen. So if a person does not ACT like a Christian, chances are excellent that they are NOT a Christian.

        The apostle John makes this EXCEEDINGLY clear. “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us,” (1 John 2:19). Surely you see his point, don’t you? People who SAY they are Christians are NOT truly Christians if they do not act the way a true Christian should act. This does not mean that Christians never sin. It simply means that as a LIFESTYLE, I am not going to continue living that way.

        I could just as easily tell you about all the people who lived quiet lives as missionaries to China, Africa, or Outer Mongolia. Have you ever heard of Hudson Taylor? How about George Mueller?

        What you are doing is unconscionably wrong because you are judging Christianity by the faults of certain individuals who may or may NOT be Christian at all.

        Why don’t you take the time to find out about other people like Corrie Ten Boom and a multitude of others who literally set their own wants and needs aside so that they could minister to other people less fortunate then they? Ever heard of Robert C. Chapman? I could list tons of people for you, yet you have simply picked people who are obnoxiously unChristian-like as if that is proof that Christianity is wrong or vapid. Was Jesus like Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, Tammy Faye Bakker? You know how many of us Christians CRINGE when we see them or read about their proclivities?

        How about Harold Camping? People should NEVER try to put a date on Jesus’ return. Jesus Himself said NO ONE WOULD KNOW THE DAY OR HOUR, yet you’ve got people like Joseph Smith (Mormonism), Harold Camping, and a host of others over the years who have done just that. These people are clueless. They don’t understand even the most basic aspect of what is taught in the Bible.

        Whether or not “most Muslims” are extremist or not is not the point. The point is that there are TOO many Muslims today who firmly believe that to die for Allah fighting the infidels – and by the way, you are also an infidel – is the highest honor.

        You think all I’m doing is condemning Islam. What I am doing is condemning the VIOLENCE in Islam and the idea that there are many within Islam who firmly believe that they are on the cusp of the next caliphate, in which they will rule the world.

        If someone is a Muslim, that’s up to them. However, they do NOT have the right to force their religious ideas on people anymore than I have the right to force my Christianity on anyone. Do you get it, Mikey?

        I don’t see Christians demanding legislation that protects us from criticism. America is not a country where homosexuals are hung to death. Tell that to Gene Robinson.

        Are you aware of how many gay and lesbian groups are trying to wake the world up to the FACT that this is how gays are routinely treated in places like Iran? No one is listening. No one cares that gay men are executed on a regular basis there. Why? Because they are too busy believing that there is nothing wrong with Sharia Law and people like me are making mountains out of molehills.

        Look, we could go on and on and you are FINALLY getting around to expressing yourself in a manner that is not obnoxious. It is also clear that you have deep-seated concerns about Christianity. I don’t blame you, but all I can tell you is that you are barking up the wrong tree.

        If you would like, I would be happy to send you some of my books free of charge. One in particular is “Christianity, Practically Speaking,” in which I explain what I believe Christianity to be. Another is “The Anti-Supernatural Bias of Ex-Christians” and another is “Interpreting the Bible Literally (is not as confusing as it sounds).” I would be willing to send any or all three of these to you free of charge. Seriously, no strings. If you are interested, email me at fred_deruvo@hotmail.com. If you’re not interested, that’s fine too. But really Mikey, I get the sense that you are posting here because you are angry (and rightly so about certain things) and you are looking for some answers. If you’re not looking for answers and just want to vomit electronically, then please be aware that it gets tiring and redundant.

        My offer is real and extended to you. It’s up to you.

      • 29. Mikey  |  November 28, 2011 at 5:29 PM

        Thank you for your reply. First, I am not a hater, nor am I angry. What I am, is showing you that you generalize to much against Islam. Do I agree with the religion – no. Do I find it repugnant – yes. They way they treat women (though in many ways Christianity aren’t a lot better), is absurd. One must put into context the history, the time, the whole concept of male dominance. I will state unequivocally that I believe the Bible is the greatest book of fairy tales ever written by man. There were so many books left out. But that being said, I truly respect a person who has conviction. I was raised a catholic ( up to second grade), then southern baptist to 4th grade, then many religions after that, until ending up in a Unitarian Church. As far as saying do Christians blow themselves up, not to many! However, you also miss a point here. Islam is more than a religion, but a way of life. Speaking of suicide bombers, they are fight whom? Interlopers, whom they feel we are the aggressors. We are on their land. Agree or disagree with the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, but 1) to many it’s like the crusades, 2) in many ways, it’s a civil war. Bin Laden’s whole premise was that we didn’t belong in the middle east. Did we not kick the British out twice? Do you remember the Monroe Doctrine? What many middle easy Muslims say is the same thing. And let us not forget the Palestinians. Remember, many were forcibly removed from Israel when the UN created Israel in 1948. And the Israelis keep building and annexing land constantly. (I won’t mention how they murdered our Sailors on the USS Liberty.) Well since we usually take the the Israeli side, many Muslims think there is a double standard. It would be nice if the US really practiced what it preaches. There is no way to condone or overlook what extremists have done. But Christianity, like Islam have extremists. The vast majority of people in all religions just want to lead a good life, raise their kids, etc. Pne last note… I guarantee you that if

      • 30. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 6:33 PM

        Mikey,

        We could discuss these things until we both turn blue from lack of oxygen and be no closer to any real agreement.

        You too make sweeping generalizations.

        Think what you want about the Bible – that’s fine. It is clear though you have not studied it at all.

        If you knew anything about the “Palestinians” you’d know that there is no such cultural ethnicity. Years ago, anyone who lived in Palestine was considered and referred to as Palestinian. Modern day Palestinians are simply ARABS, Mikey. They have no claim to that land and in fact, prior to 1948 when the Jews began returning, much of the land was completely devoid of plant life and arid. No one lived there except a few Bedouin here and there. It was on AFTER Israel re-established itself as a nation that “milk and honey” began to flow once again and it was THEN that Arabs wanted the land.

        Israel is surrounded by Arab nations, Mikey. How much land do the Arabs need?

        There is an actual history where Islam is concerned and it began in the A.D. 600s. There is an actual history of Muhammad that groups like CAIR are trying to rewrite and redact because of all the slaughter surrounding this “man of god.”

        You were raised Catholic, then Southern Baptist, then Unitarian. Great. So what do YOU believe? Did you EVER believe? My wife was born and raised Catholic until she finally realized that salvation is by grace alone, unlike what was taught and is still being taught in the Roman Catholic Church.

        I don’t think I’m making generalizations at all, Mikey. I also think that you really do not know as much as you think you do and I’m not saying that to be insulting. It’s simply a fact based on what you are telling me. Like most people, they’ve bought the lie that Israel has no right to be in the Middle East and they are the reason for the troubles there.

        You consider the Bible to be the greatest book of fantasy, yet it is amazing how many prophecies it has pointed out only to see them fulfilled. The book of Daniel is just one book that the critics have said was written AFTER the facts because of its accuracy. Yet, the book of Daniel was included in the Septuagint version which was published approximately 100 to 200 years BEFORE Antiochus Epiphanes even lived, yet the latter chapters of Daniel detail that (future) history precisely.

        There are many things in the Bible that have played out yet were written about long before the events happen.

        When you make a statement such as you have made, you make a sweeping generalization AND you prove to me that you have never studied the Bible. I know plenty of people in your shoes, Mikey who have gone from one sect/religion to another and at the end of it wind up being nothing and are convinced they have seen the light about the Bible, Christianity, and religions in general.

        I have not missed the point at all about Islam. I have repeatedly said it IS a way of life, which is why the beliefs of Islam tend to infiltrate every area of the the Muslim’s life, politically, religiously, demographically, and ethnically.

        As I have also repeatedly said – I do not care if someone is a Muslim. That’s perfectly fine. What I CARE about is how Islam is attempting (and succeeding on many levels) to infiltrate and encroach upon society by inflicting Sharia Law on ALL people and ALL nations. You don’t see it that way – fine. I do.

        I really don’t see how there is anything more to be said between us Mikey. You’ve had your say. I’ve responded and given you plenty of space here to air your grievances. I’ve tried to explain to you my position, yet you continue to misunderstand and misrepresent it.

        We are unfortunately getting nowhere. Take care.

      • 31. Rev Michael Carbone  |  November 28, 2011 at 2:08 PM

        I do know about christianity – I was born and raised in the Roman Catholic tradition, was baptised, made my confirmation and was even an altar boy longer than any other altar boy was. So you prove my point, you know nothing about me and yet condemn me for my beliefs.

        You know nothing of me and yet you condemn my beliefs. I do not believe in demons, that’s a christian ideal, I do not believe that we will be as gods, and that is NOT the foundation of the New Age movement. Please read about such movement before putting them down.

        Jesus did not claim to be god, he was the SON of god, just like we all are.

        God is not a physical person, god is a higher being than you and I are and to think that god is a physical person is not at all what christianity is about. For no single PERSON shall be equal to or above god. So how can god be a physical person?

        Your right, my god is not like your god at all then, thank you for giving the proof of that.

        My god loves everyone unconditionally, your god puts conditions on it. There is only 1 ONE god in the universe, the one who created each of us, even you. So you can believe in a different type of god all you want to. And yes, the crusades had to do with christianity and are part of the history of the church, you can deny it all you want. You have now put yourself into the category of those you condemn for being blind to the extemists of any religion. You are blind to your own beliefs history.

        I do not and never will believe or allow any one religion to tell others what to believe or disbelieve, it is up to each individual to believe in a higher power, after all that is what god is.

        You are right in one aspect, god is physical, god is in everything that exists, are you sure your not a new ager yourself? new agers see god as a physical entity in everything.

      • 32. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM

        I get it now. Michael, unfortunately, Roman Catholicism and Christianity do not necessarily equate, I’m sorry.

        Jesus claimed to be God the Son and this is the reason why the leaders of Israel wanted to kill Him on numerous occasions.

        Whether or not you were confirmed as an altar boy means nothing as far as salvation is concerned.

        I find it fascinating that the Reformation took place because of the Roman Catholic Church’s emphasis on salvation by grace PLUS works and they continue that today. While they do not call them “indulgences,” they STILL teach that prayers and/or monetary donations in a deceased individual’s name means less time in purgatory.

        There is no teaching of purgatory in the New Testament. Jesus never taught it at all.

        There are many things that Jesus never taught that the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

        Maybe YOU don’t tell people what to believe but your pope does. The pope believes that the Roman Catholic Church is the TRUE Church and everything else is wrong. Islam believes the same about itself.

        My God loves everyone unconditionally as well. The problem though is that many resolutely refuse to take Him up on the salvation He holds out to them. Universalism is a lie of the enemy. If universalism is true, then Jesus lied. You would say that the human writers of the Bible just got it wrong.

        Unfortunately Michael, what you fail to see is the absolute consistency and uniformity of Scripture, written by 40 human authors, over a period of roughly 1600 years and completely overseen by God Himself.

        All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,” (2 Timothy 3:16)

        For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost,” (2 Peter 1:21).

        For those who continue to refuse God’s salvation to their death, they will receive the sentence of the second death. This is tragic when you consider that salvation is a free gift that no one can earn. Yet, like you, they reject it in favor of crystal balls, tarot cards, and voices from beyond – none of which are authentic and cannot prove their authenticity.

      • 33. Rev Michael Carbone  |  November 28, 2011 at 2:20 PM

        if you take the bible seriously, does that mean you follow it 100% or only pick and choose what you want to follow out of the bible? If you pick and choose what you want to honor and follow then you do not take the bible so seriously. For is you took it so seriously you would follow it 100%, no fish on Friday, no work or doing anything but being with family on Sunday, the list goes on and on. Do not put others down for their beliefs and yet you do not follow your own religion completely.

        Just my opinion, may god bless you and I hope you have a wonderful and Merry Christmas! (Yes I still celebrate Christmas, after all Jesus was born, died on the cross for our sins, rose again in fulfillment with the scriptures (BTW – the scriptures were written by people who received messages from god – today people call those who hear voices as psychics which you consider to be evil) and is awaiting us in heaven with his father – GOD) I also celebrate the seasons for without the seasons we would have a dry/dead planet and as such no sustainable atmosphere. God created the seasons and everything around us, why not honor and respect that?

      • 34. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 2:44 PM

        Michael,

        I take the Bible literally. Unfortunately, you believe that I would be picking and choosing solely because I understand that the Bible was written in an historical and grammatical context.

        For instance, when Jesus taught about turning the other cheek or going the extra mile – do you know what He actually meant? If you understood the laws of Rome, you would understand exactly what He was talking about. As it is, you likely do not understand that Jesus was actually teaching that people can obey Rome and STILL maintain their self-respect.

        For instance, in Rome, if a soldier ordered you to carry his pack, you had to do it, but you only had to do it for a distance of one mile. In essence then, you became that soldier’s slave for one mile. Jesus was saying that when you got to the end of that mile, CHOOSE to carry it another mile, all on your own. In this way, you will be making a very bold statement to the soldier.

        It is the same with turning the other cheek. In Rome, if a soldier struck a civilian man, he would do so with an open hand, like a slap. When Jesus said turn the other cheek, it would force the solider to hit you on the other cheek with a closed fist, something that was reserved for battle with an EQUAL.

        You know, it amazes me how little people actually know about the Bible. Many think it is a book of magic that says one thing to one person and something else to another. In your case, you equate the biblical record with communications from demonic spirits.

        If you look seriously at Scripture, the first king of Israel – Saul – sinned terribly because it was forbidden to seek the dead for answers. Because of it, he was cast out by God and David replaced him.

        What you are doing is the same thing. I would caution you on the voices you hear and in fact, I would suggest you ask them to prove their identity to you. Who are they? Moreover, ask them who Jesus is.

        One other thing, the 613 laws of the Old Testament (given by God through Moses) were for the nation of Israel. God’s MORAL law – reflective in the Ten Commandments – are still to be honored, which is why the lawyer who told Jesus that loving God with all your heart, mind, and soul and loving your neighbor as yourself is the complete fulfillment of the law and Jesus said he was correct.

        I don’t have to follow the 613 laws because I am not Jewish. God established Israel with a set of laws that would set them apart from all neighboring tribes and cultures. God wanted them to stand out because He expected them to be the light of the world. They failed.

        There are some interesting laws found in the Old Testament that to the unstudied person seem to make no sense. Why for example did God tell Israel not to boil a kid goat in its mother’s milk? This is found in Deuteronomy 14 and appears to be asinine. Why would it matter to God if a Jew boiled a kid goat in its mother’s milk?

        It is because this practice was found among the pagans during their pagan worship of false deities. Yet, the text does not explain that and the only way to determine that is to go OUTSIDE the Bible to learn the CONTEXT. However, the people of Israel would have understood God’s direction immediately.

        When you get a good grasp on the Bible, then we can talk. Unfortunately, you seem to have very little understanding at all and I’m not saying that to be insulting at all. I’m simply pointing out fact – the same thing I do with Islam.

      • 35. walt  |  December 11, 2011 at 12:30 PM

        Modres, Glad to hear you accept Coptics as Christians. I am not sure what you think of Romin Catholics. I do know that I was raised as the as Rev Michael has come to understand…that Christianity, true christianity, is not about fighting Romans and wielding sords and passing judgement on the siouls of others and the possibility of their “salvation.” Like the Rev, my is ineffable and transcendant. But I guess some need to create in their own human image and within their limited (human) conceptuality / limits. And thanks for the Iman standing for true Islam. Where are the moderates? they are talking and being called liars, called radicals in sheeps clothes! Such brotherly love!

        Modres, I talked about the growing Evangelical movement in the Islamic world. Here is the book where all the figures can be found. The Chrisataian author travels and works with Muslims. He takes aid and succort to them in their need. This is a Christian I can respect deeply and could work aside enthusiastically.

        “who fears his own nature sees the devil everywhere” perhaps you should pray over this?

        respectfully,
        walt in seattle : who admits that Radical Islam is The big problem, but who does not believe that another crusade to the death of every last Muslim is part of a rational response. Look at the figures:

        “Inside the Revolution, How Followers of Jihad, Jefferson and Jesus are Battling to Dominate the Middle East and Transform the World” Joel C Rosenberg….Tyndale House 2009

      • 36. modres  |  December 11, 2011 at 2:15 PM

        Hi Walt,

        I must confess that I am not quite certain of everything you’re saying, but I’ll comment on what I understand.

        Yes, I believe Roman Catholics certainly CAN be Christian. It takes getting past the “works orientation” of the gospel though and many Catholics have a very difficult time doing that.

        Regarding authentic Christianity, I agree that it is not about passing judgment on peoplel or trying to determine who is and who is not saved. HOWEVER, I would be remiss if I failed to point out that there are parameters by which we should know whether a person is a Christian or not. Beyond this, the true Christian’s greatest concern SHOULD be for the salvation of others.

        With respect to Islam, it is in some ways like a two-edged sword. While at least some of what I write about here tends to be seen by some as judgmental, the reality is that I am commenting on the things that are terrible. For instance, the way women are treated within Islam is often reprehensible.

        The other side of it has to do with my concern for Muslims in general. A Muslim needs to hear of the only salvation available and it is from Jesus. Muhammad does not have nor can he offer salvation. Islam is very much like the ancient religions of Egypt. At the end of a person’s life, their deeds are weighed. If the good outweighs the bad, they’re in. If not, they go to hell. At the same time, most Muslims will tell you that eventually, everyone gets to heaven (almost everyone). So in that sense, hell is a type of purgatory.

        I do not believe that purgatory is taught in the Scriptures. I also do not believe that apart from Jesus our works amount to anything good at all. It is because of that, each person needs to receive the salvation offered by Jesus. Without that, no one gets into heaven.

        At least in Roman Catholicism, people hear about Jesus. They hear about the fact that He died for us and His death takes away our sin, if we receive His salvation.

        Islam has nothing of the kind in this. Jesus is not seen as the Son of God who taketh away the sins of the world. He is seen as merely a prophet, but Muhammad supersedes Him.

        Regarding wanting all Muslims dead, I’m not sure how you could have gotten that impression from reading anything I’ve written here. I’ve never stated or implied that at all. I don’t want Muslims dead. I want them to realize that truth is found only in Jesus and they are on the wrong path.

        Certainly, I stand stalwartly against much of what Islam stands for and I am angered by the way Islam is lived and carried out by many Muslims throughout the world. However, I’m not in the least interested in wishing upon them what radical Muslims wish upon us. I pray that the Lord will open their eyes to the truth and I do not believe that ANY truth is found within Islam at all.

        It is because of that I write what I write. By the way, I like Rosenberg and have a number of his books.

    • 37. J. Stars  |  November 28, 2011 at 3:30 PM

      Delusional. Plain & simple.

      Numbers 1,2 & 3 have absolutely no connection to Christianity. What you are talking about is Catholicism – which is as much of a christian religion as Islam or Greek mythology.

      Numbers 4, 5 & 6 make no sense to me. I literally have no idea of what point you could possibly be trying to make. As I read these, all I could hear in my head was something like:
      If the reeblefratz is laterally motivated by the ambi-helical hex nut into a nascent conjunction with the left-handed smoke-shifter, then how many pancakes does it take to shingle a dog house roof?

      Like I said, Delusional.

      PS – as to the above question – remember that according to the computer “Deep Thought” the answer is 42.

  • 38. whit  |  November 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM

    islam is growing because they are outbreeding other people. muslims have 6-8 children on average while westerners have about 2. islam is the fastest growing religion not because of converts (obviously), but because of their massive numbers. the #1 thing a muslim must do in life is get married and have a family. this will obviously give them lots of power when their numbers grown and exceed everyone else’s

    • 39. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 1:34 PM

      This is exactly why there are so many “Sharia Controlled Zones” throughout the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, France, and many other places.

    • 40. Iman El-Maghribi  |  November 30, 2011 at 9:13 AM

      If you were a witness of any local Mosque, you would change your mind about the converts/reverts to Islam. In my small city in Oklahoma, we have grown adults who embrace Islam almost every week. In larger cities such as New York and Atlanta and Loss Angeles, there are groups coming every month. Yes, Muslims do have larger families in the third world. They are more likely to have 2 or 3 in the West. This is because the wife is normally educated and works outside the home like other Western families.

      • 41. modres  |  November 30, 2011 at 9:33 AM

        No, I wouldn’t change my mind. I know all too well how politicians and law enforcement officials wind up catering to Islam. Michigan is merely one state where Dearborn has become known as Dearbornistan and the Muslim population there is out of control.

        What you are talking about are moderate (so-called “peaceful”) Muslims vs. radicals. There are plenty of radicals who reside in the United States and people like yourself do NOTHING to condemn or curtail their actions or policies. You are too concerned about apologetics where Islam is concerned and redirecting the attention of people off radical Muslims onto “Zionists” and Christians.

        I personally know people who have left Islam and are afraid for their lives because the penalty of leaving Islam is death. If you are unaware of that, you are either lying to me or have absolutely no clue how many Muslims understand the Qur’an and the Hadith.

  • 42. Thai  |  November 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM

    col mohd..Dont be ridiculous- by saying Muslims seem to be propelling their religion through population does not mean people are punishable because they are inciting trouble and hatred…Muslim may well be larger world wide..but note many of those places are under dictatorship or live in a rather uncivilised society compared to western society. While I agree too much freedom has caused awfull situations in western society people are trying to make the point that in general- Muslims are far more physically vocal about what they hate. If a Brit said something against a muslim- they would be condemed by the brainwashed majority. Having some muslim friends- they are indeed modern and choose not to adhere to everything that comes to their ‘religion’ the same as some christians choose not to. However many people do agree that they do not wish to be outpopulated by another ‘group’ of people- this is the same for all groups- football teams- segregation by colour- by class- by sex..Atheistis on the other hand just don’t believe in any religion, more than anything they are well aware that ‘Islam’ is a cult and nothing more- if anything atheists ‘note’ the brainwashing of the masses by cults calling themselves religious…Anyone who is prepared to hate, commit crime, is verbally or physically cruel to another in the name of religion- is just using their ‘interpretation’ of their so called religion to do so. It is certainly not wrong to not like people who try forcing others in to something they do not want- it is not civilised- and muslims do seem to be doing this by numbers- even ex muslims can see this- note-islamwatch…in british society most peple have become accepting of color, sexuality, disability etc and the daft ‘myths’ propelled by lesser educated societies are being used to do untold damage to british society. There is a fine balance between helping other nations waifs and strays and out populating your people..that changes things politically…for anyone who is not muslim- thats what people do not want..and its not racist..

    • 43. waltinseattle  |  November 29, 2011 at 12:43 PM

      I think the article would be better recieved if it were not so patently black vs white. And if illiterates did not refer to Islam as “camel jockeys..” There are no camels in the largest Islamic nation, Indonesia. And a book I am reading , by an Evangelical Christian notes that some 70% of Iran rejects Islam (but IS being held captive by the RADICALS (only some-many-too damn many for certain. Islamics are Radical, that is not a point I want to dismiss by any means.) In short, charactacture is not analysis and broad brush shows no way to overcome this scourge. Which brings us to the last point: “where are those other, those moderate, Islamic voices? They are 1. ignored by the likes of you or 2 afraid to open their mouths because they like life. As for Radical Islamics in the USA…there is a little thing about enemies foreign and domestic, about those who advocate the violent overthrow of this nation. Don’t we all wish that the regimes running this republic were as eager to remove Islamic extremism as they are to remove “patriots” and militia etc.

      • 44. modres  |  November 29, 2011 at 1:51 PM

        I agree that the conversation should not include denigrating or castigating terminology and I have certainly done my best to avoid that.

        Some things are absolutely black and white though. Sharia Law? Totally against it. Democracy? Totally for it. Radical Islam? Totally against it. Patriotism? Totally for it.

        I have my doubts about the information you said you have gleaned from reading a book by an evangelical Christian who states that 70% of Iran rejects Islam. That is too difficult to believe. What is the book and who authored it? I’m NOT saying you’re lying. I’m saying I am doubting the individual who wrote the book you are reading, but without more information, it’s impossible to assess.

        But even if what was presented in book form to you IS true, the reality of the situation simply proves the power of radicals, even when they are the minority.

        As I’ve stated before, if moderates are afraid to say anything because they fear for their lives, that should not be an excuse frankly. I’m not ignoring them; just not hearing them because they’re not saying anything loud enough to be heard. I don’t hear them condemning radicals. I hear them promoting the “positive” side of Islam and from all of my study, I have yet to see a positive side to it.

        By the way, do NOT refer to me as “the likes of you.” It’s insulting and denigrating, something you yourself have stated that should not be included in the discussion. I have NEVER referred to radicals as “camel jockeys” or any other derogatory term, so I would appreciate it if you would extend to me the same courtesy.

        You said, “Don’t we all wish that the regimes running this republic were as eager to remove Islamic extremism as they are to remove “patriots” and militia etc.”

        It depends upon what you mean by “patriots.” I realize you quoted the word to suggest a pseudo-patriotism, however, to be clear, I do not equate true patriots with members of radical militia groups, nor do I believe there is anything wrong with actual patriotism. Our government seems to, or at least did for a very short time until they received enough flak to change their position.

        Yes, there are those in this country who want to “overthrow” it as you say. Radical Islamists want to replace Democracy with Islamic Sharia Law. Radical “right-wingers” want to replace liberalism with the Democracy that this country was founded upon and from which it has moved a great deal from its original moorings.

        I do not believe it is wrong to look critically at our government and realize that the type of people we have (and have had for some time) in leadership positions are not interested in the same things our Founding Fathers were interested in. It seems especially true today, that there are more individuals who stubbornly believe that Socialism is the answer and they are resolutely moving our country in that direction whether the majority want it to go there or not.

        Right now, radical Islam is the greatest threat this world faces. If you doubt that, then you haven’t researched it enough to see what has transpired in too many countries throughout Europe and what is STARTING to occur within the boundaries of the United States.

      • 45. Radcorad  |  November 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM

        I like most everything you have to say except you keep saying Democracy. Is that what this government is supposed to be? That is what we were taught, but isn’t it a republic with which we live. I think we know the difference. I hope we still do.
        I know I’m being critical, but I believe that is what started us down the wrong path to begin with.

      • 46. modres  |  November 29, 2011 at 6:40 PM

        I use the term “Democracy” because most people understand that in a Democracy, people vote for leaders who run the government.

        You are correct – it is far more accurate to say that America is a Constitutional Republic.

        Thanks for the correction.

      • 47. Mikey  |  November 29, 2011 at 8:36 PM

        The US is a Republic but most people don’t know the difference between a Democracy and a Republic.

      • 48. modres  |  November 30, 2011 at 7:17 AM

        You’re right, they don’t, Mikey. Just like you don’t understand a good many things about Islam and Christianity but fervently think you do. No amount of explanation on my part is going to help you see your mistakes either.

        I refer to this country as a “Democracy” because that is what most people understand when it comes to discussing the political process in America. Most people are clueless when it comes to the U.S. Constitution or the Bill of Rights just like you’re clueless when it comes to authentic Christianity and the actual goals of Islam. While you may know some history, you do not know the difference between an authentic Christian and someone who SAYS they are a Christian. You also wrongly believe that because there were some excesses in the Roman Catholic Church in years past, this somehow means that the excesses in Islam should be given a pass. I could discuss it with you until you turn blue and you would be no better off.

        So while you obviously know a few things, you seem to have completely missed the really important things. You’ll consider my response to you “arrogant” but that’s too bad. I have spent too much time trying to educate you and you obviously could care less because you think you know everything there is to know about Christianity and Islam. You know a little bit about many things, but not enough about what is actually important. A little knowledge puffs up…

  • 49. Simon  |  November 26, 2011 at 1:47 AM

    Whilst I don’t doubt that some Muslims do want us all in Christian-cultural countries to stop saying ‘Merry Christmas’ (per Fred’s links), in my opinion it is actually usually ultra-Left-wing types who want to ban it more – and blame it on the majority of Muslims. From having many Muslim friends, most seem willing to respect Christian traditions including Christmas, given Islam views Jesus as a prophet. They athiest-liberals on the other hand…

    I do believe there are extremists in every religion and most religions, including Islam, comprise of peaceful, law-abiding people. Whilst I wouldn’t go so far as Fred in attacking Islam, it does concern me that Islamic extremists are much more likely to be highly violent than other groups.

    For example, there are some pretty fundamentalist whacky Jews, but you don’t see them blowing up German planes do you? Whilst most Muslims are not terrorists, most terrorists are Muslim – explain that?

    • 50. modres  |  November 26, 2011 at 6:35 AM

      You’re’ naive, Simon. I think – generally speaking – that Muslims are extremist. Yes, there are moderates to be sure, however, recent history has shown that even those who are labeled moderates are often extremists in disguise. You still do not get it – Islam wants to take over and it really doesn’t matter how many moderates there are because they will be overruled by the extremists.

      Saying that “there are extremists in every religion” gives the wrong impression. People like to point to Timothy McVeigh as if he is the poster boy for conservatism or even “right-wing” conservatism. The problem is that well over 90% of ALL terrorist acts are perpetrated by Muslims. That’s a fact that statements like yours seem to dismiss out of hand.

      If you want to be politically correct Simon, feel free, but I guarantee you that if any of your Muslim friends are closet extremists, they’ll turn on you quicker than they can say Allah’s name.

      You seem to actually disagree with yourself, Simon. You start off seemingly defending Muslims, yet you end with the statement that even though there are extremist Jews, they don’t commit terrorist acts.

      That’s the point, isn’t it? There are a lot of people in the United States who would like to see Mr. Obama out of office, but they would NEVER wish him dead.

      What you and others seem to forget is that within the ideology of Islam, a Muslim who kills or is killed in the process of supporting and furthering Islam is believed to be rewarded in the next life.

      THAT and that alone is what separates Islam from every other religion and ideology and is the reason that Muslims do what they do.

  • 51. Roger  |  November 25, 2011 at 10:39 PM

    Muslims are nothing more than modern day Nazis!

    {omitted)

    • 52. modres  |  November 26, 2011 at 6:42 AM

      Hey Roger, I wish I could have printed your entire post, but if you could say it differently, that would be far better. :)

  • 53. Roger  |  November 25, 2011 at 10:37 PM

    These good for nothing camel jockeys can stay in the desert and oppress their women for all I care. Muslims are nothing more than hypocrites and thieves!

    MERRY CHRISTMAS (omitted)

    • 54. modres  |  November 26, 2011 at 6:43 AM

      Hi Roger,

      You have strong opinions and so do I. The sweeping generalizations don’t help, so try to say things differently next time if you can :)

      • 55. Mikey  |  November 26, 2011 at 7:30 AM

        WhaT a buch of crap! First, of Islam is a cult, so is Christianity. Second, most Muslims really don’t care if you wish them Merry Chrostmas or not, for the most part it’s generic with the holidays. The hatred shown here are the responses (I.e. “camel jockey’s) by its own nature, is both bigoted, and anti-Christian. Do I agree with Islam – not a chance, but Christianity is equally as bad. The hatred preached, the totally hypocrisy preached is amazing. Maybe one should study Leviticus a little closer. The fact that so many Chritians (and I bet many here) have forgiven Newt for all his infidelity and adulterous behavior, yet rail against gays, and what about children back talking parents? What does it say in Keviticus? Christians love to pick and choose what they want out of the greatest fairy tail book ever written by men…. Have a great weekend

      • 56. modres  |  November 26, 2011 at 8:09 AM

        Hey Mikey,

        You essentially said the same thing last time you sent a response yet you did it with fewer words. I took the time to explain about Leviticus and the laws that were given to the nation of Israel.

        You think Christianity is just as bad as Islam? That’s only because you know less than nothing about each.

        Authentic Christians are not interested in forcing non-believers to submit whereas Islam believes they are on the verge of the sixth caliphate.

        It’s tragic that people like you think you are so clear in your understanding when it is patently obvious you know far less than you think you do.

    • 57. Linda Lineberger Ensor  |  November 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM

      Check the ideology behind some of the laws followed by Muslims. For example, Muslim women have been able to own property and to have jobs outside the home far longer than other women have had such rights. Furthermore, they can divorce their husbands. I wish we could get beyond our narrow perspectives and look at issues from other points of view.

      • 58. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 6:07 AM

        This is absolute garbage, Linda. Sounds like you’ve been reading too much Karen Armstrong and not enough of the women who actually know how claustrophobic and demeaning Islam is toward women. Have you read Brigette Gabriel, Pamela Geller, Wafa Sultan, or even Dinesh D’Sousa (male)? If not, then you have bought the propagandist lies of Karen Armstrong and others who present Islam in a very distorted light.

        I wish that people like you would wake up to reality so that we could get beyond this political correctness to the truth that is Islam.

  • 59. Scott Biddulph  |  November 19, 2011 at 3:35 PM

    I never met a Muslim who didn`t enjoy a good lie about Islam. Muslims are liars and they follow a God who is the father of all lies. Political correctness my A**.

    • 60. Simon  |  November 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM

      I probably wouldn’t go so far as saying all Muslims are liars. However, I would totally agree that political correctness in ordinary society has gone absolutely mad. There is certainly double-standards, where one can be proud of any sort of minority status, and be catered to, unless you just happen to be a white, anglo-saxon protestant male.

      Further to what Fred is saying, about people standing up and saying ‘no’, history teaches that if people cannot air grievances legitimately, then it does get violent. If political correctness stops legitimate debate from happening, then it tends to see the rise of extremist voices – such as this site.

      • 61. modres  |  November 26, 2011 at 6:28 AM

        For the most part, Muslims are not interested in airing grievances in a civilized manner. There are too many instances of Muslims not getting their way and revolting because of it. It is not so much that Muslims wish to have legitimate debate as much as they simply desire to conquer…the world.

    • 62. Linda Lineberger Ensor  |  November 27, 2011 at 1:07 PM

      The deity worshipped by Jews, Christians, and Muslims is the same one: the God of Abraham. Lying does not belong exclusively to the followers of only one of the three monotheistic religions. The Catholic Church and its “sects” are Christian; thus, the Knights Templar followed at least some of the Christian doctrines. Isn’t it time that we stopped letting religion divide us? What about Christ’s admonition that we turn the other cheek? Comments like these caused such awful events as the Spanish Inquisition.

      • 63. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 6:10 AM

        Completely and fully wrong, Linda. Jehovah is not the same as Allah and if you knew anything about Islam, you would understand that.

        I’m not sure what “Christ’s admonition that we turn the other cheek” has to do with your main point. However, it is clear that you – and too many others like you – fail to understand Jesus’ teaching within the confines, parameters, and laws of the Roman Empire.

        Sadly, you have no clue at all. I WISH you understood what Jesus meant when He spoke of turning the other cheek and going the extra mile. If you understood Roman law you would have some idea of what He meant because there is a CONTEXT to His teaching. Because you are completely unaware of that context, you believe that Christians are to be doormats for people – not true.

      • 64. Mikey  |  November 28, 2011 at 7:55 AM

        About time so
        Wine got it right! Lying is by no means exclusive to Islam. Christians have been doing it for hundreds of years. The bible can be interpreted/translated many ways. If not, why do we have multiple bibles? One must remember that words are contexts. We speak differently than we did in 1800. Words have different meanings. To claim that we should follow the bible literally is absurd. If so, reading Leviticus, most of us should be dead. Newt the adulterer would have been gone long ago! And many Christians would have multiethnic wives. Christians love to pick and choose what they want, interpret what they want, define what they want, out of the bible.

      • 65. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 8:01 AM

        Multiple Bibles? Are you referring to the numerous translations that essentially say the same thing?

        You know Mikey, this is your last post because it is clear that you are not at all interested in hearing the truth about the Bible or Christianity. You are only here to bash Christianity while propping up Islam.

        Words alone do not make a context, Mikey. Context is what SURROUNDS the words. The Qur’an has very little to no context at all and was essentially written over a period of 22 years referencing ONE individual – Muhammad.

        The Bible – on the other hand – was written over a period of roughly 1600 years and authored by approximately 40 human authors.

        THE reason that people take various meanings away from the Bible is because they often read INTO the Bible and completely discount the original grammar, history, and context of what is taught within Scripture.

        Wine did it by referencing Jesus’ words about turning the other cheek. She blew it because she fails to understand the context with which Jesus spoke those words. I’d be willing to bet (a figure of speech since I don’t gamble) that you have no clue either.

        Thanks for your rants, Mikey. They simply prove that folks like yourself have very little to add to the conversation. See ya…

  • 66. Clint  |  November 18, 2011 at 2:45 PM

    The Streets of Paris Falling To Islamic Sharia:
    http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=17933

    Thailand: Muslims behead 9 y/o Boy:
    http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/thailand-muslims-behead-a-9-year-old-boy-warning-graphic-images/

    CNN: American Muslims Praise Bin Laden and Ft Hood Shooter-Recruiters:

    Riot Scenes in London, Birmingham, Luton, Harrow:

    Geert Wilders Warning To America About Islam:
    http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/video/entertainment/8506/%C3%A0%C3%A9%C3%B8%C3%A5%C3%B4%C3%A4.html
    Tawfik Hamid – Former Jihadist – and the Threat of Islam:

    Muslims demand Sharia student loans because paying interest goes against Islamic law:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2028782/Muslims-demand-Sharia-student-loans-paying-goes-Islamic-law.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
    Egyptian Islamic Jihad Official on Christians “I will exterminate them”:
    http://blog.standforisrael.org/articles/egyptian-islamic-jihad-official-on-christians-i-will-exterminate-them?sm=Blog&s_src=FB&s_subsrc=NEX1108XXEXXX
    Pastor Nadarkhani Death Sentence for Christian Conversian:
    Iran: Execution for Apostasy Seems Imminent
    The Beating and Torture of a New Christian at the Shahryar Detention Center:
    http://www.mohabatnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=661:the-beating-and-torture-of-a-new-christian-at-the-shahryar-detention-center&catid=36:iranian-christians&Itemid=279
    Pakistan Woman Burned Alive by Inlaws for Failure to Produce Male Child:
    http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/pakistan-husband-and-in-laws-burn-the-wife-alive-because-she-could-not-produce-a-male-child-only-4-daughters/
    With Qadaffi’s Death, Violence on Coptic Christians Are Ignored In Media, 10-20-11:
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/10/20/coptic-christians-protest-against-egyptian-government-outside-white-ho?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  • 67. Clint  |  November 18, 2011 at 2:40 PM

    These are just a very few ‘references’ for you. Talking ill of a cult started by a murdering, pillaging, rapist, adulterer, pedophile, sadist, robber, slaver, extortionist, torturer charlatan may be punishable in most Islam-dominant, terrorist-supporting country like ‘Malaysia’, but this is America, and if it’s the TRUTH, there will be no court case. I have many apostate friends who would blast you a new one for your lies in defense of this miserable culture that enslaves women, punishes breaches in protocal with barbaric methods like mutilation, burning and beheading!!!

  • 68. Clint  |  November 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM

    As for the atheist/supporting atheist remark, the errant notion by some in our country of ‘separation of church and state’ is a twisted FICTION, and far from our ‘original intent’. Have you ever read the Declaration or the writings of the founders? Do you not know that the underlying principle of Natural Law and the Laws of God are the foundation for our Liberty ‘endowed by our Creator’?

    ‘ We have staked the whole of all our political
    Institutions upon the capacity of mankind for
    Self-government, upon the capacity of each and
    All of us to govern ourselves, to control
    Ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to
    The Ten Commandments of God.’
    James Madison

    Now to the Mr. Mohd. Wrong. It is not the small percentage of “extremist muslims” who “deviated from the true teachings” that wage war, whether it be jihadist groups carrying on ‘Mujahedin’ 9literally “those who fight a jihad”) – Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al – or the actions of The Ummah (collectively the Muslim faithful of the world) in silient or soft jihad, pushing for sharia wherever they settle. As you know, the Surahs and Hadiths instruct Islam’s followers to enfold or eradicate the ‘infidels’ or kaffirs/kuffars/kafirs/kufrs ‘najis’ (filth) that all kafirs are considered by The Ummah.

  • 69. Rebecca Fusco  |  November 18, 2011 at 11:33 AM

    atheists do not think christianity is the root of all evil! they just donot like the mix of church and state and taxpayer $ going to religious affiliations of which they are no part of.

    • 70. modres  |  November 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM

      First off, I’ve heard atheists tell me that directly so I’m speaking from personal experience.

      Second, then we’re even. I hate the idea that my taxpayer dollars are used for the purpose of murdering 1.2 million unborn babies last year. I can’t stop the government from using my taxpayer dollars for that purpose and a number of other purposes that I completely disagree with.

      As far as your contention that somehow our government mixes church and state with all those taxpayer dollars going to religious affiliations, that’s interesting but it pales in comparison to the amount of government dollars that are spent on abortions and other self-serving, anti-Christ causes each year. Interestingly enough, most abortions are performed on women who have had the same procedure done previously, as many as four times. It is clear that many women use abortion as a means of birth control.

      Put things into perspective, will you? I’m sure you think it’s fine to abort unborn children. I doubt that you see it as murder, but in my mind, it is absolutely no different from the civilizations of old “passing their children through the fires of Molech.” People get abortions because it is inconvenient to have children. Instead of thinking of that ahead of time, before passion strikes, they opt to simply dispose of the problem afterwards. It’s asinine and completely self-serving. My tax dollars should NOT pay for the murder of innocent, unborn children.

    • 71. Vespo  |  November 28, 2011 at 8:14 AM

      Then islam should give you even more pause, because there is no separation of church and state in islam. That is what’s baffling with the left/progressives in America. They have aligned themselves with an ideology that is intolerant of America and the Western Democracies way of life. Sharia (islamic jurisprudence) is their law and their state.

      • 72. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 8:22 AM

        This is what mystifies me. Islam – by its very nature – wants to destroy freedom of speech and Democracy in general. For those within Islam, that ideology completely takes over every aspect of a person’s life. For those areas within the United States that have already capitulated to Islam, I can only assume it has to do with MONEY $$$.

        It is common knowledge that mosques in the United States are often funded with foreign money – lots of it. The money that pours into communities because of these mosques has to be the thing that causes city councils to give Islam what it wants. It has to be money because there is no other reason that people would succumb to Islam’s demands.

        It amazes me that people who are so critical of Christianity are the same people who side with Islam at every turn. It doesn’t matter that homosexuals are hanged in Sharia-controlled Islamic nations. It doesn’t matter that women have to cover everything except their eyes (and recently, Saudi Arabia noted that women who have “sexy” eyes must cover them). It doesn’t matter that women in Islamic nations cannot drive or vote and are often treated worse than cattle.

        We see the atrocities being committed throughout the world and those within Islam know those atrocities exist, yet the United States is moving closer to the point when it will be considered a hate-crime to criticize Islam. I don’t see Christians clamoring for a law that protects us from criticism.

        One has to stop and ask – why would ANY ideology need a legal guarantee that protects it from being criticized? The very fact that we are moving toward this proves that Islam is not a friend of freedom.

        There is something drastically wrong with Islam and the people who support it.

  • 73. Col Mohd  |  November 18, 2011 at 10:06 AM

    Dear modres, I’ve read the Qur’an many times, it never says that you should kill people. Those terrorist attacks are not Jihad, not a holy war either. It is conducted by the extremist Muslims, deviated from the true teaching of Islam which is condemned by all Muslims countries except late Osama bin Laden and his fanatic-extremist followers.
    I think you are a fanatic, extremist Christian no better than the extremist Muslims. Do you know that Jesus Christ and Mary are mentioned in the Qur’an and Jesus Christ is also one of Muslims holy prophets? God bless you.
    You should educate yourself too and for further discussion, here is my email: colmohd@hotmail.com.

    • 74. modres  |  November 18, 2011 at 10:56 AM

      I’m wondering which Qur’an you’ve read, because it clearly dictates how Muslims are to act. In fact, in order to be considered a “good” Muslim, one must copy (or endeavor to copy) the life of Muhammad.

      There are actually more than 109 verses in the Qur’an that teach violent oppression to people who are not Muslims. Here are just a few and before you say that these must be taken in their context, please be aware that there is NO context. These verses are simply open-ended statements.

      And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” (cf. Qur’an 2:191-193) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from “fitna” which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until “religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.” [1]

      In this verse, we learn that fighting is a good thing: “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” (Qur’an 2:216) This verse by the way, proves that fighting is not in self-defense, as many Muslims argue. It can be perpetrated against any who are not of the Islamic faith.

      Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward,” (Qur’an 4:74). This of course, shows that Muslims who give up their life in service to Allah shall gain the victory in the next life.

      Here’s one that refers to people like yourself, who do NOT participate in fighting for Allah: “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,” (Qur’an 4:95). You are considered unequal, less than, lazy. While you will gain “good” from Allah, the reward of those who fight against the unbeliever will have a much greater reward.

      Do you want me to continue?

      I am very aware that the Qur’an speaks of Jesus and Mary. Unfortunately, 600 or so years AFTER Jesus lived, died, and was resurrected, Muhammad came along and decided that Jesus had not actually died on the cross, so your prophet’s words contradict the Bible, which Islam teaches is prophetical writings.

      Islam denies that Jesus is God and the writings on the inside of the Dome of the Rock mosque in Jerusalem represents a warning to those “of the Book” who believe that God had/has a Son. God did not “give birth” to a Son. He “begat” a Son and like begets like.

      When Jesus came into this world to be born of the virgin Mary, He did so for a number of reasons, but at no time did He set His own deity aside.

      You say I am like the extremists Muslims. Really? I have killed no one. I have threatened no one. How dare you decide that I am like your brothers who consistently bear arms in seeking to destroy those of other faiths. You have absolutely no right to judge me.

      All I have done is REPORTED on certain Muslim groups and what they have planned. It has not been my intent to insult you or your religion. I have not called you names. I have presented information that is fully available on the Internet and from your own Qur’an.

      Have you been to England? Are you aware of how many “Shariah Controlled Zones” exist there? Are you aware of what has been happening in The Netherlands, Belgium, France and other areas of the world? Are you aware that many Muslims alive today are welcoming the Sixth Caliphate, in which they believe Islam will rule the world?

      I just read this morning that Saudi Arabia has determined that women who have “sexy” eyes (whatever that means) must cover them. So instead of dealing with their own inner lust, they blame the woman, yet they say they respect women? Is that why women are stoned to death even TODAY?

      These are not just a few extremists. These are NATIONS of Muslims who seek to overthrow Democracy and rule the world. People like you who doubt this will either be run over by them, or you are simply agents of disinformation.

      In either case, I would encourage you to REALLY do some research so that you can become educated about Islam. Brother, you are fully uninformed and you unfortunately believe many lies about Islam. I pray that the Lord God will see fit to open your eyes to the truth.

      [1] http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

    • 75. Earl D. Jones  |  November 30, 2011 at 11:42 PM

      Col Mohd, I have read the quran as well and you are wrong it does say to kill zionist and christians anywhere you find them. words of your prophet mohomad not mine. Sadly the mahadi or your end time hero is well none as the ANTI-CHRIST. just a matter of time before Jesus comes back and sets the world strait. Your god wants you to die for him, our God has already died for use. We don’t have to die for Jesus, He did all the work at the cross. Died as a Lamb, rose again as the LION of the TRIBE of JUDAH. He even died for you sir. and he loves you and wants to save you and all muslims. If you will repent of your sins and receive Jesus in your heart you shall be saved.

      • 76. Mikey  |  December 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM

        Again, you generalize. Most Muslims don’t subscribe to the Koran literally, just as Christrians don’t subscribe to a literal translation of the Bible, nor should they. To do so would be foolish. It’s so easy to pick and choose parts you want, without the context before and after the passages. We must also understand the time, and history, the circumstances, the norms for the period, to truly judge the bible and the Koran. It’s interesting seeing the different translations.

      • 77. modres  |  December 1, 2011 at 10:16 AM

        No, I’m not generalizing at all. I’m merely pointing out a situation that exists.

        Regarding YOUR generalization that “most Muslims don’t subscribe to the Koran literally,” where do you get THAT information, considering the fact that MILLIONS of Muslims throughout the world DO understand the Qur’an literally. Funny how YOUR sweeping generalizations are fine, but mine are not.

        Who are you to say that Christians should not subscribe to a literal translation of the Bible? I do and there is a good reason for doing so. But when YOU read “literal,” you are understanding it to mean LITERALISTIC, which is nonsense.

        The Bible has parables, metaphors and the like and I do NOT take those literally. I take their MEANING literally.

        For instance, if I said, “I’m so hungry I could eat a horse,” I would NOT mean that I was actually going to eat a horse, nor would you understand me to be saying I was planning on eating a horse. You would be understanding the MEANING of what I said as “I’m REALLY hungry!”

        The problem Mikey is that people who do NOT take the Bible literally can make it say anything they want to. Who are YOU to apply your understanding (or lack of it) to be applied as a general rule?

        Even in prophecy, there is only ONE meaning for each prophecy and what is fascinating is that the Bible almost ALWAYS explains itself.

        Read the book of Daniel sometime, will you? You will find that God provides a dream to Nebuchadnezzar, then Daniel comes along to interpret the dream. Yet, in spite of that, there are biblical morons who then take that literal understanding and provide a DIFFERENT meaning to it to make it fit with their theology.

        I agree with you when you say we must understand the time, the history, the circumstances, the norms – and I would add – the grammar, the idioms, the CONTEXT, and the rest to understand the Bible.

        Regarding the Qur’an, there is very little context to it. However, when we DO compare Muhammad’s life to the various portions of the Qur’an (remember, the Qur’an represents approximately 22 years of ONE man’s life, whereas the Bible represents about 1600 years and 40 human authors), we come to learn that the verses that moderate or “peaceful” Muslims take metaphorically, were actually lived out LITERALLY by Muhammad.

        If you want to go head to head with me on Bible interpretation, I’m all for it. Just leave your sarcasm and know-it-all attitude at home.

        Here’s one for you – turn the other cheek. What did Jesus mean by that? NOT what YOU think He meant, but what He actually and literally meant by that?

  • 78. Col Mohd  |  November 18, 2011 at 7:58 AM

    Sir, Brothers and Sisters, the writer of this blog, please make your writing clear and be specific, who are these Muslims that you said prevented people wishing “Merry Christmas” and some other bad and uncalled remarks on Christian Religion. Where which country and place? Please do not refer Islam as a cult. It’s a world known religion of most followers on earth compared to other religion.
    If you can specify the country and places, I might agree with you that there are few fanatic lots which will be condemned by all other Muslims for passing such remarks as Islam forbade insulting other religions. Though it seems nothing wrong in Human Rights Law, it’s punishable in Malaysia and you also will be brought to court if your remarks here are not true as they incite the peace and harmonious of the nation.

    • 79. modres  |  November 18, 2011 at 8:17 AM

      I included links in the article so that readers could verify what I said. Please do so. There are a number of news bureaus reporting this and it does not surprise me at all that there are Muslims who believe this.

      Islam is a death cult. It is not so much a religion as it is an ideology.

      There are more than a “few fanatic lots” involved in this. By the way, where are all the Muslims who should be condemning EVERY terrorist attack by Muslims? I never hear them say anything about it. They remain as quiet as a church mouse.

      The reality is that Islam commands its followers to kill infidels and many Muslims regularly practice that. Have you read the Qur’an? Doesn’t seem so.

      Even Anjem Choudary says Islam is not a religion of peace, but one of submission.

      You should educate yourself and then we’ll talk.

      • 80. aaron monigold  |  November 21, 2011 at 1:43 AM

        modres- i find you thoughts entertaining. you say that the quran promotes killing those that are not muslim. you say that Islam dictates how you live. you get angry at col mohd because he calls you an extreamest. here is something for you to think about. the christian bible stories and discribes what should be done to those who do not follow the christian way. the bible gives you the ten commandmants which tell you what you can not do, and if you do any of those things you will go to hell. you told col mohd that his entire religion was made of extreamists that will enslave and kill any one who isnt muslim, when in fact there just as many christain extreamists as there are muslim. and no im not muslim. but im definitely not a fan of your christian church either.

      • 81. modres  |  November 21, 2011 at 7:10 AM

        I wish there was some semblance of intelligence in your comments, but it is simply very clear that you know NOTHING about the Ten Commandments (the reason for them) or Christianity in general.

        The Ten Commandments – along with the rest of the 613 laws given by God to Moses – were originally given to the nation of Israel, not Gentiles. The Ten Commandments represent God’s MORAL law that people should uphold for no other reason than it is His moral law.

        However, in the New Testament, God the Son – Jesus – essentially clarified the meaning of many of those Ten Commandments, saying that those who LOVE fulfill them by nature.

        Upholding the Ten Commandments or not is not the determining factor in whether or not people go to hell. The ONLY determining factor is whether one has salvation. That salvation is ONLY found in Jesus Christ. It stands to reason that authentic Christians will WANT to uphold the Ten Commandments (since it is God’s moral law encapsulated), but obeying the Ten Commandments is NOT a prerequisite to be saved.

        Jesus made this very clear in His Sermon on the Mount. There he clarified what it means to commit adultery (found in lusting after someone), or murdering another (found in hateful anger).

        Your comment about there being just as many Christian extremists as there are Muslim is not only completely unfounded, but simply proves that you have no clue at all. I assume then that you are simply another agent of disinformation.

        Nearly ALL terrorist incidents have been committed by people from Islam. While there are – admittedly – a few rogue individuals who CALL themselves Christians and who bomb an abortion clinic, or shoot an abortion doctor with a high powered rifle, it is very, VERY clear that Muslims are the real perpetrators of evil in this world. Just because someone SAYS they are Christian does not make it so. The so-called Christians who bomb an abortion clinic or murder an abortion doctor are very likely Christians in name ONLY.

        When the individual in Norway killed just under 100 people by first pretending to be a police officer and stating on his social network page that he was a “right-winger” and a “Christian,” only a bit of research debunks the belief that he was either a police officer OR a Christian.

        In Europe, people routinely call themselves Christian because they attend church, or because it designates a social standing. Referring to being a Christian does not mean they are in the true senses of the word. For them, listing “Christian” on some piece of paper is the same as those of us in America listing “Caucasian” on some application, or being “Protestant.” It’s what we identify with and that’s it.

        After more research, we learn that the shooter in Norway was a member of an extreme sect that has nothing to do with Christianity. In fact, it’s an offshoot of one of the sects of the Roman Catholic Church – the Knights Templar – which is, for some reason, enjoying a type of resurgence in Europe and most likely due to the exponential growth of Islam there.

        The worst part of it is that people like yourself and col mohd are more concerned about trying to defend the actions of those militant Muslims by pretending that the problem is not that big, as opposed to condemning their actions.

        As long as people like you and col mohd exist, refusing to stand up to the routinely perpetrated evil of Muslims, you are just as bad, just as guilty, and it’s as if you have committed those acts yourself.

        As I mentioned to col mohd, it would be very wise if he took the time to educate himself regarding the ways of Islam. I would strongly suggest the same for you because it is obviously apparent that neither one of you have a real clue as to the facts of the matter.

        If I asked you to define what it means to be a Christian, you would probably list off a number of things that you believe Christians do (or should do) to qualify for being a Christian. I would then instruct you to read the third chapter of the gospel of John for the actual definition of what it means to become a Christian.

        Anyone can be a Muslim one day and something else the next because being a Muslim simply means following a set of commands. Being a Christian is far different from any other religion on earth. In no other religion is a person “born again” or “born from above” as Jesus explains to Nicodemus in John 3.

        It’s really too bad that people like yourself believe that you understand things, but in reality, you understand very little.

        For you, col mohd, and too many others, the words of the apostle Paul in the book of Romans fits like a glove: “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” (Romans 1:22).

    • 82. Joe  |  November 27, 2011 at 2:07 PM

      islam IS a cult……a cult of pedophiles just like this mohammed pervert….What other religion in the world says it’s ok to (omitted) little girls????? All of you idiots need to go back to the god forsaken (omitted) hole sand huts that you came from…..

      • 83. modres  |  November 28, 2011 at 6:12 AM

        First off, this blog is representative of my Christianity. As such, the terminology you use it absolutely not acceptable. If you cannot present your opinion without simply castigating, then don’t present your opinion.

        While I would agree that Muhammad was a pedophile, and that women are generally treated as something far less valuable than furniture, your point is lost on most simply because of the way you express it.


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