Calling Steve Fletcher Out as a False Prophet – Sorry
April 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM 33 comments
I don’t normally do this and I’m sure I’ll catch a whole bunch of flack for it by Steve’s followers, but the truth needs to be stated. Steve Fletcher has been incorrect before on several occasions. Like Harold Camping who relied on math to determine the dates that Jesus was going to return, Steve Fletcher uses math as well. He also uses numbers from Scripture in a Helter Skelter fashion in an attempt to fool people into thinking that what he is doing is legitimate.
I wouldn’t even be sharing this article except that he messaged me on a social network today out of the blue with claims that the Abomination of Desolation is the covenant that is spoken of in Daniel 9:27 and the upshot is that the Abomination of Desolation referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24 is when President Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace prize in 2009.
I tried explaining to Steve that his statement was completely inaccurate; that the Abomination of Desolation that Jesus referred to in Matthew 24 was connected to the actions of Antiochus Epiphanes in 168 BC. This is where he went into the then-standing Jewish Temple – to the Holy of Holies – slaughtered a pig on the altar and sprinkled pig’s blood around that area. He also moved in a statue of Zeus and according to a few historians, put a mask of his own face over Zeus’ face, and declared himself to be god.
This is part of the reason why the text in Matthew 24, when referencing the Abomination of Desolation, states “let the reader understand.” Every Jewish man alive at the time of Jesus would have immediately understood what Jesus was referring to because it wasn’t long after this event that the Maccabees revolted and fought against the Romans. The Temple was eventually cleansed again after the revolt.
I also believe that this event with Antiochus was a type of event that the Antichrist will also perform. Paul says as much in 2 Thessalonians 2. There, he was not referring back to Antiochus, but referring ahead to the time of the Antichrist.
Steven Fletcher uses a great deal of math, but while I told him his math is way off, he doesn’t hear anything because as he said to me, “Fred, I have to go… its all documented… God opened the book of daniel, unsealed the calendar, to me… its not about me, I am just sharing what the lord has shown, confirmed by the word and signs in the heavens.”
I pointed out that the Lord could not have told him what he was attempting to reveal because it makes no sense at all. There is no logic to it though to unlearned people who choose not to read Scripture for themselves, they will find it fascinating. It sounds deep because of the convoluted way Fletcher does the math, but therein lies the problem.
I’d like to remind folks that the final “week” mentioned in Daniel 9:27 starts off with a covenant. That covenant is clearly brokered by the Antichrist. Some believe that person referred to in the text is actually Jesus, not the Antichrist. They do so because they fail to use the rules of grammar in determining what the instances of “he” refer to in the text.
The person in Daniel 9:27 is the Antichrist and he does broker a covenant with “the many” (Israel’s leaders). Steve believes that when Obama received the Nobel Peace prize, that’s when the covenant started. He’s simply wrong, but cannot see it or admit it.
Again, Fletcher insists that the Abomination of Desolation was fulfilled on March 22, 2009 when President Obama received the Nobel Peace prize. My question is why this would even matter to God since He did not create that award or event and it has nothing to do with Israel or the Church for that matter?
In the original Abomination of Desolation, Antiochus, by slaughtering a pig on the altar of the Temple that existed then, fully defiled God’s Temple. The Temple was an institution that God Himself created, patterned on the heavenly sanctuary that exists in the heavenly realm.
Steve also states that “Sacrifices had officially restarted in Israel in 2008.” Not sure what he means here because without the Temple, there can be no sacrifices. In other words, without the official Temple and priesthood in place, the sacrifices would carry no weight. Of course, we know they carry no weight anyway since Jesus completely fulfilled all aspects of the Law and became the perfect sacrificial Lamb. In fact, some Jews were arrested when they attempted to bring a Pesach sacrifice to the Temple Mount, the only place where it would be acceptable to God (from Jewish perspective).
Yes, the Jews began once again offering the Passover sacrifice in 2008, but since it was not done on the Temple Mount, it really meant nothing.
Fletcher then alleges that the final week of Daniel’s 70 weeks does not begin with the covenant mentioned in Daniel 9:27, but with something else altogether. He says it begins with “THE ORDER TO RESTORE AND BUILD JERUSALEM.”
Fletcher then goes onto state that this order was fulfilled in 1947. The problem with this is that it is completely inaccurate. The actual timeline begins way back in history with Ezra and Nehemiah when permission was given to build the Temple, the wall, and the city by Artaxerxes. If we go from that point, the fulfillment of the 7 “weeks” and 62 “weeks” takes us right up to the day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the colt of a donkey where people cried “Hosanna!”
He was then rejected and crucified. Daniel 9:26 specifically states, “After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.” This is referring to Jesus, who was put to death and had nothing, not even a grave to His Name. He was laid to rest in a borrowed tomb.
But Steve wants to start at 1947 and go 70 “weeks” into the future. The other problem though is that Steve Fletcher does NOT get the 70 “weeks” correct either, in length of time. He says the 70 represents years. In fact, the 70 represents 70 sevens of years or 490 years total. That is easily determined from the context of the entire chapter 9.
490 years is NOT 70 years. Steve doesn’t know or care because he is so convinced that the “Lord” spoke to him. Unfortunately, the Lord did not speak to him. I’m sure those supporters of Fletcher who may chance to read this article will accuse me of being extremely arrogant. Who am I to say that the Lord did not speak to Steve? I’m just some guy who reads and studies the Word and understands when someone has gotten caught up in lies and falsehoods.
I’ve included a chart that I created for a book I wrote on Daniel 9. Please don’t take my word for it. Study it yourself to learn the truth. Steve Fletcher has been wrong before when he predicted that Jesus was going to return. He also stated that if he turned out to be wrong, he would “stop talking.” He was wrong, but quickly decided he didn’t need to stop talking.
Pray for Steve. Pray that the Lord will either show him his error, that He will close his mouth so that he will not continue to lead people astray, or both! He is speaking in the Lord’s Name and he is speaking error. He needs to be called out for it.
If he continues, I doubt that the Lord will continue to allow him to get away with it. Harold Camping had three strikes and then had a stroke that took away his ability to speak. Do you think that was “coincidence”? I don’t.
We need to be so careful what we teach at all times. Too many people on his social network page believe everything he says. This is serious when I say he needs our prayers.
All references for Steve Fletcher’s comments were taken from his latest document:
http://2fletchdr222.blogspot.mx/2014/04/no-bible-evidence-can-debunk-this-2009.html
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I BELIEVE ON THE SON OF GOD JESUS | May 7, 2014 at 7:20 PM
over come evil with good remember guys! I have one question if somebody can please clarify for me did Daniel say from the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem not Israel Jerusalem was in the enemies hands until 1967 when does the clock begin 1947 or 1967 please reply thank you much.
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modres | May 7, 2014 at 8:28 PM
The clock actually started ticking in 445 BC and paused at the end of the sixty-two week period, which brings us up to the Triumphant entry into Jerusalem with Jesus.
You can read more about it here: https://studygrowknowblog.com/2014/05/02/jesus-explains-end-times-protocol-pt-8/ in part 8 of my 11-part article on the subject.
We are now in a period of parenthesis if you will. The end of the sixty-second week fulfilled 483 years of 490 years total (70 “weeks” or “sevens”; 70 x 7 = 490 years). The final “week” of seven years has not yet begun. We are waiting for one major event to occur, described in Daniel 9:27 when “he” shall make a covenant with the many for one “week” but will cause the sacrifices to stop in the middle of the week, or three and a half years into the Tribulation.
Again, this is in front of us still.
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I BELIEVE ON THE SON OF GOD JESUS | May 8, 2014 at 8:43 PM
what about our LORD JESUS when HE said this generation shall not pass away till all is full filled is that generation also 70 years did it begin with Israel being restored or it began with Jerusalem coming in and Israel is now a full nation I know HE is very near at the doors the heavens are playing the biggest drum roll before his entrance to the earth comet isons path was nothing less than stunning the star of David the past thirteen years eclipses of the rarest kind blood moons of the rarest kind by the way march 20 2015 a full solar eclipse April 4 2015 a blood red moon and so on here on earth distress of nations cant find the answer pillars of smoke across the globe volcanoes earth quakes at high uprising lawlessness they call evil good and good evil persecution of brothers and sisters including Israel fish are dying at an alarming rate birds the same don’t remember anything like that growing up this could very well be the last generation prophesies are being full filled very quick the quickest could it be that Daniels 70 weeks are also the last 70 years before THE KING OF KINGS BEGINS HIS MILLENIUM REIGN . thank you for your time and answer be blessed through JESUS
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modres | May 9, 2014 at 6:48 AM
Jesus was referring to the generation when the birth pangs began, not the generation that was alive during His lifetime.
The Tribulation will begin when the Antichrist confirms a covenant with the many (Daniel 9:27) and will break that covenant in the middle of the “week” (7 years).
Please go back and re-read my articles (if you have not already). I have written an 11-part series on this subject where I fully explain the number of “weeks” and how we arrive at 490 years total, along with where we are on that timeline.
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I BELIEVE ON THE SON OF GOD JESUS | May 8, 2014 at 9:19 PM
hey brothers I came across Dewey Broutons up date daniels time line video by Kurt Boulter its 1 56 42 seconds long the rapture the 12 apostle Paul said I show you a mystery our HOLY FATHER knows that day Dewey broutons up date Daniels time line is SPECTACULAR!!! the video that looks like a scroll a must see be blessed through JESUS
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modres | May 9, 2014 at 6:46 AM
There are actually a number of holes in Brouton’s teachings. He seems to take 70 “weeks” as years, rather than “sevens” which translates to a total of 490 years. It’s clear from Daniel 9 that the entire context is dealing with years. The angel mentions that the total time will be 70 “sevens” yet too many people simply say 70 years total.
Beyond this, Dewey Bruton is another individual who believes the Tribulation has already begun and that the Abomination of Desolation has already occurred. This proves him to be a false prophet like Harold Camping, Steve Fletcher, Ronald Weinland, and a host of others.
By the way, in one video, Dewey Bruton predicted that Jesus will return 17/10/2016. The problem is that he is setting a date and the Bible clearly states that no one except the Father knows the day or hour. Secondly, the Bible teaches that Jesus will physically return at the END of the Tribulation and the Tribulation is 7 years long. Dewey taught that the Tribulation began on 21/3/2013. That does not allow for the entire 7 years to occur prior to Jesus’ return.
If the Tribulation began on March 21, 2013 and Jesus is to return on October 17, 2016, that is only three and a half years. Yet, the Bible teaches that the Tribulation is a full 7 years in length (Daniel 9:27).
Dewey is simply wrong, therefore, he is a false prophet. There is no other way to see him, unfortunately. His errors are very obvious.
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More False Prophets and False Messiahs Here and on the Way | Study - Grow - Know | April 27, 2014 at 2:24 PM
[…] I’ve mentioned in my two recent articles about what Steve Fletcher teaches – here and here – the error seems obvious and if that is the case, then all Christians (not just me) […]
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Eric W. | April 26, 2014 at 11:19 AM
Reblogged this on Watching the Watchers and commented:
Sadly it is what it is.
I am so glad someone has finally noticed how far down the rabbit hole Steven Fletcher has gone. This man needs serious intervention.
I’m beyond appalled and amazed to see him actually gain in popularity.
The guy has literally had Fatima style visions. He is under DEMONIC DECEPTION point blank.
http://2fletchdr222.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-sign-of-his-coming-revealed.html?view=sidebar
^^ By his own account.
He has had at least one if not several Fatima caliber visions. No exaggeration. He is under serious and dangerous delusion and deception. He needs help and people absolutely need to be warned about him.
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Lydia | April 25, 2014 at 6:21 PM
In this world hard to find love, kindness and humbleness everyone talks about ‘you’ll know them by their fruits” – and then point out the bad fruit – but this goes two ways. Jesus said men do not pick grapes from thorns {paraphrase} and I can’t understand why people can’t see that Steve Fletcher does not have any good fruits. Oh he can talk “prophecy” mixed with error so well that so many hungry and hurting just can’t spot. I was a loyal friend for a very long time and defended him. But lo and behold I made the mistake of angrily asking for my own defense one night and got banned. I asked for forgiveness thru another channel Publicly and also thru a private message but the self-righteous man just didn’t want to hear it. I noticed comments in the past about news articles where people were suffering some tragedy and he would comment ” i don’t care about this -I’m flying out of here soon {something to that effect}. Where is the good fruit? It Almost destroyed my faith that God still loved me but not anymore. He is just another dime-a-dozen false prophet that loves his praise from his followers. Oh yeah! I almost forgot – twice he asked for money and this last time people actually sent him some. How very sad that discernment is lost in all the shiny and fancy reports he writes. Thank you for you what your doing to help wake up the hurting and hungry people…
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modres | April 25, 2014 at 8:11 PM
I’m sorry you went through what you went through, Lydia, but I am very glad the Lord opened your eyes. Often people like Steve will tend to angrily point fingers at people who either disagree with him or question him. Yet, not even Paul was offended when the Bereans compared what he taught to Scripture (cf. Acts 17).
By the way, all of my books are available as free downloadable PDF documents. You can find them at http://www.studygrowknow.com and I encourage you to download all of them if you want. You don’t have to register or fill out a form. Just click on a book’s cover and it will begin downloading.
I will be praying for you that the Lord will strengthen you as you seek to lean on Him.
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Lydia | April 25, 2014 at 9:37 PM
Thank you Modres May God bless you
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Lydia | April 27, 2014 at 12:28 AM
thank you Modres, I’ve been reading Demons Disguise for over an hour and it has given me more hope than I’ve had in a long time! I like the name of your blog – it reminds me of one of my favorite verses
Luke 11 9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[a] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
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Nieshia Gutierrez | April 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM
Fred? i have a question… according to your illustrations the end part is not so clear…. i am a little confused…. i got the 483 years… up to Jesus birth… but then how many years during that period and until the covenent with many? and tribulation… and why is there a time gap?
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Nieshia Gutierrez | April 25, 2014 at 2:49 PM
So i just read the time gap part… but a ??? if your 1st n 2nd are perfect why would there not be an amount…for the time gap… how long do we have to wait (continuing war)…
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modres | April 25, 2014 at 3:03 PM
How long do we have to wait? I have no idea. Nieshia. The time gap starts immediately following the crucifixion of Jesus. Then forty years or so later, the Temple is destroyed when Roman soldiers sacked Jerusalem.
Jesus said there would be wars to the end, meaning to the end of this age. In Jewish terms there are only two ages; this age that we live in now (which began with Adam and Even) and the next age, which is the age when Jesus reigns physically over the earth with a rod of iron.
The only thing I can tell you is that the book of Revelation speaks reiterates what Daniel speaks of with respect to the empires that will lead up to the Messianic empire. A book I am currently writing is nearly done – “Rome Rising.”
The book of Revelation is also very clear (as is Daniel) that there will exist a type of revised fourth empire (Roman Empire) at the end of this age. There will be a one-world system ruled over by Antichrist. I go into a bit of depth in this new book.
Wars will exist until the end, but there are 9 birth pangs that are alluded to throughout the Scriptures. You may wish to read my other book “Living in the Last Generation” and is also downloadable free of charge (as are all of my books).
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modres | April 25, 2014 at 2:58 PM
There is a clear time gap between verses in Daniel 9:24-27. Specifically, look at verses 25 and 26:
“From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.”
Here we learn that from the time the word goes out to start rebuidlign Jerusalem until Jesus (the Anointed One) arrives, there will be seven “sevens” immediately followed by sixty-two sevens.
Note that verse 26 states, “After the sixty-two sevens” several things occur:
1) The Anointed One will be put to death (Jesus was crucified)
2) He will have nothing (Jesus died without a penny to His Name, clothes on His back, or a grave to be buried in (it was donated)
3) The “people of the prince who is to come” is NOT referring to Jesus here. It is referring to the people who will be “of” the prince (Antichrist) to come – those who will follow him and from whom he will come (Gentiles)
4) Specifically, the people from whom this future prince comes will destroy the Temple and the city. This occurred in AD 70 when the Romans sacked Jerusalem.
But the important part is that ALL of this happens IN BETWEEN the end of the sixty-two sevens and the final seven.
Please note that verse 27 discusses the FINAL seven (“week”) and it does NOT start until “he” (the Antichrist here, not Jesus) – “He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven’.” The event that kicks off the final “seven” is the confirmation of the covenant.
In essence, we are still in the “in-between” time immediately AFTER the sixty-two weeks ended and we are waiting for the LAST week of seven years to begin. It is very clear that this final week begins when Antichrist confirms a covenant with Israel.
Why is there a time gap? It’s part of God’s design to bring in Gentiles.
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modres | April 25, 2014 at 4:40 PM
I’m not sure if I answered this question fully. The break that exists between verses 26 and 27 is essentially a “hold” or a “time out.” There is no indication in Scripture how long this gap of time will be before the Antichrist confirms the covenant with the many. Many people refer to this as the “church age” but it’s really the time when God begins to focus on Gentiles and calls them in for salvation. Once the fullness of the Gentiles has occurred (“I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,” Romans 11:25), THEN God will close this section of present history with the Antichrist confirming the covenant with the many.
In other words, it all has to do with the last Gentile to be saved prior to the start of the Tribulation. As noted, God has not specifically noted how long this period is to be, but Jesus (and others) provide signs to watch for about the culmination of this age.
We are in a time of waiting. The time clock for God’s 70 “sevens” of Daniel 2 is on hold. As you see, the 483 years have already occurred and we are simply waiting for the last seven years (the last “seven”) to begin. That last seven is the Tribulation/Great Tribulation.
I hope this answers the question.
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Steve Fletcher | April 25, 2014 at 2:15 PM
Thank you for writing this article. I am glad because more people can get a chance to see it for themselves.
Two questions…
1. Daniel´s book was sealed until the time of the end. He wanted to know the end of the things he was seeing, and god told him to seal the book, it was for the time of the end. This is repeated two times, because all things established by God must be confirmed by two or three witnesses.
Daniel 12:4
“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
Daniel 12:9
And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Daniel´s book is sealed until the time of the end. How will it be unsealed? Will another prophet be needed to bring final explanation to what Daniel was not able to receive at that time?
2. You say the Abomination Jesus mentioned was talking of Antiochus. But Jesus mentioned that the Abomination would be seen by the generation of His coming. Matthew 24 is all about the Signs of the end of the age, Signs of His coming. Matthew 24:14 says that the gospel will be preached in all the world, then the end would come. Then it goes on in verse 15 to say…
Matthew 24:15
“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),
Matthew 24:21
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
So how could Jesus be talking about the abomination of antichus, if it is mentioned that as a sign of his coming there would be an abomination. WHEN YOU SEE THE ABOMINATION.
When you see the Abomination according to Daniel. There is your key… the Abomination will unseal the Book. That is what the Lord has revealed to me. Just clarifying. God bless.
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modres | April 25, 2014 at 3:24 PM
Steve, let me answer your questions as simply as I can for you.
Yes, the book of Daniel was to be “sealed” because it essentially was for this generation. What that means is that no matter how hard they tried (including Daniel), no one during his time would fully comprehend all the information that was available in that book because of where they were in history at that time.
I am almost done with another book “Rome Rising” in which I explain all of this. Does there need to be another “prophet” to discern Daniel? Not at all. Understanding the book of Daniel is available because of where we are in history and due to the technology that is available to us. We actually SEE how things have taken shape because we are able to look back and see that the four kingdoms in Daniel 2 and 7 refer to Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome, in that order. Daniel did not know what they were going to be named or how they would expand. We see it because it’s behind us.
We can also see that – according to Daniel 2, 7, 8, 9 and 10, the fourth empire, segues into another form of itself at the end of this age. According to Jewish rabbis, there are two ages, this one that we are living in and the next one when Jesus reigns.
As we approach the end of this age, we can easily see the old Roman Empire (the fourth) empire taking shape again. In fact, what is fascinating is that ALL four empires that began with Babylon, have essentially come into existence in that same geographical area of the world. Borders were slightly different, but one succeeding empire simply swallowed up the previous one. The revised Roman empire which has been coming into appearance for the last few generations, will also grow from the current EU.
Are you aware Steve that the Club of Rome already divided the world up into ten regions? This is referenced not only in Daniel but in Revelation.
In short, Daniel will be “unsealed” because of our ability to see what God is doing now, compared with what has already occurred. Remember, when Daniel wrote the book of Daniel, he was living mainly during the Babylonian Empire. Yes, he lived also during the Medo-Persian empire as well, but he was not alive to see it overtaken by Alexander the Great or then by the Romans.
You are incorrect about what Jesus is referring to in Matthew 24. Jesus was referring to a FUTURE event, while also pointing back to a PREVIOUS event. He was most definitely referring to the event when Antiochus went into the Jewish Temple, slaughtered a pig on the altar and sprinkled the blood around. Antiochus also brought in a statue of Zeus and further defiled the Temple, proclaiming that people should worship him. This is historical fact.
Jesus was using this as a reference point to show everyone exactly the type of event they should look for in the future, meaning that the Antichrist would do the same exact thing. Paul also points this out in 2 Thessalonians 2 as a FUTURE event.
Your opinion that the “abomination of desolation” is when President Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize is absurd, Steve. Both Jesus and Paul are speaking of an event that in context, shows how Antiochus (and in the future, Antichrist) will treat the Jewish Temple.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 states very clearly: “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”
Do you see what WILL happen? Paul is pointing the future when he says
1) rebellion occurs
2) lawless one (Antichrist) is revealed
3) he will oppose God and exalt himself
4) he will set himself up in God’s Temple proclaiming himself to be God
This points to the fact that the unbelieving Jews will rebuild at least enough of the Temple to have the Holiest Place there. This is where Antichrist goes to defile the Temple by proclaiming himself to be God. It is a redo of what Antiochus did in 168 BC. This is why both Jesus and Paul refer to it.
As I stated before Steve, forgive me, but I do not believe for a moment that the Lord has revealed anything to you, because it appears to me that you are in terrible error.
But let me ask you this. Why are you so concerned about the end times at all? Why are you not focusing on evangelizing the lost? 150,000 people DIE every day. Every day. How many of them have never heard the Gospel of grace?
Studying the end times is fine, but only if done for the right reason. I don’t see evidence on your website or in your articles that your first, primary motivation is to see souls saved for Jesus.
That is unconscionable, Steve. The Great Commission was given to us by our Lord to extend the Gospel to all people in every corner of the world. Jesus did not say, “Look, I want you to focus on end times and just preach about that.”
He said, “GO! Preach the Gospel!”
Are you doing that? Are you warning people about their impending death? No one knows when they will cross that threshold from this life to the next.
You have been terribly wrong before about setting dates regarding the return of Jesus. You originally said if you were wrong, you would stop talking. You didn’t. Instead, you simply continued in a different direction.
You are misleading people and doing NOTHING for them now. You need to be focused on spreading the Gospel of Jesus, not the time of His return or whether or not we are in the Tribulation (we’re not).
Steve, I would seriously encourage you to repent before the Lord by humbling yourself. You are saying that what you have learned is from Him. What if it’s NOT? Then you are making Him out to be a liar.
I am fearful for you, Steve. If you do not repent of this foolishness, the Lord may choose to do something to really get your attention and you may not like it.
Please, recant of this error. Put it away from you.
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Steve Fletcher | April 25, 2014 at 8:08 PM
Fred, TY for your response.
I never said the Abomination of desolation is the nobel peace prize. The nobel peace prize is the covenant with many from Daniel 9:27. Then, 1260 days later, exactly 3.5 years on the Jewish calendar… Obama stood in the holy place, not bowing, but standing in the birthplace of Jesus Christ.
The Nobel prize was received on Oct 9, 2009, 7th day of tabernacles… and the Abomination happened March 22, 2013… 10 nisan, the same day of the triumphal entry… THE ONLY TWO DAYS OF THE YEAR WHEN THEY SAY “BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!!!”
Its quite amazing how Obama had both these acts, exactly 1260 days apart, on these exact days. Its amazing. And if you read more all my documents you will see also how signs in the heavens confirm all this… even Meteor number 666 exactly on the day of the Abomination!!! Solar eclipses, spirals, meteors, lunar eclipses, all falling on the same days as the events to confirm, and all confirmed perfectly by the book of daniel, by the weeks, years, and exact number of days!!
But you know I am wrong, and you call me to repent… so I guess when the Lord comes you will see that I am the prophet He raised up to explain the rest of the sealed book of Daniel!!! God bless.
Oh yeah, the 5th Trumpet in Kuwait during the 5 month war and the 6th Trumpet at 911 taking us back to war at the Great River Euphrates also confirm all these findings… but who will see it???
For those who want to see all the information, start here… this is my call to this prophetic word! God bless.
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modres | April 25, 2014 at 8:20 PM
Steve, you are way off on all counts here, but your pride won’t even allow you to acknowledge it.
Your reasoning – such as it is – is so convoluted that it’s really difficult to even decipher. On one hand you say that the Nobel Peace Prize Obama received is the covenant, then you say that Obama was there when the Abomination occurred. You have your own starting dates for Daniel 9:27 and many events of the book of Revelation.
No, you’re not a prophet at all, much less a prophet that God has sent to explain the book of Daniel. Sorry Steve.
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Steve Fletcher | April 25, 2014 at 8:10 PM
One last thing. I did not seek to know these things, nor did I come to my conclusions after years of study. The Lord called me and anointed me to preach this word. 1947 + 70 = 2017. The Millennium starts 2017. TICK TOCK
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modres | April 25, 2014 at 8:29 PM
I don’t believe you, Steve.
But how can you decide that the “70” in Daniel equals 70 YEARS, when it clearly equals 490 years total (70 “sevens”)?
You are completely deceived, Steve and apparently, Satan is having a field day working in and through you. I’m sorry to see that.
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John | April 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM
I wish more would call Steve out, he has been able to get away with these lies for far too long with no consequences.
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modres | April 25, 2014 at 12:58 PM
Steve’s an interesting bird. Others did come down on him the last time after he predicted the Lord’s return and failed miserably. He had said he would stop talking if he was wrong. He was wrong, then said that people should just forgive him because he’s only human and he didn’t think the Lord wanted him to stop.
As you know, guys like Steve are extremely difficult to reason with because they’re reasoning is flawed to begin with and they usually see other people who are trying to point out error as being “Pharisaical” or “judgmental.” In any case, they cannot see or admit that they might be in error and even when they can see they were wrong, it’s generally not a big deal and they are quick to focus on those who point out the error.
I sometimes wonder if it’s better for people like Steve not to see how off-base they are because if they see it and continue without repenting, then they are far more responsible to the Lord for the error they’ve been teaching.
In this case, I think prayer is the best way to handle it.
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Steve Fletcher | April 25, 2014 at 8:12 PM
Was Jonah a false prophet? He proclaimed a date and nothing happened… was he a false prophet? I guess when Jesus mentioned Jonah 7 times in the gospels there is more to it than meets the eye. Sign of Jonah for a wicked generation! God bless!
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modres | April 25, 2014 at 8:27 PM
Steve, again, you’re missing a cogent point. Jonah did not “proclaimed a date and nothing happened.” The whole premise was based on what, Steve? Whether or not the people of Nineveh would REPENT.
Did they REPENT, Steve? Yes, they did, so God canceled the planned destruction. However, about 50 years later, Nineveh WAS destroyed.
Was Isaiah a false prophet, Steve? Isaiah first tells King Hezekiah that he was going to die. Hezekiah cries and begs God to spare him. Even though Isaiah had already left the king’s presence, God told him to go back and tell Hezekiah he would have 15 additional years, so this is what Isaiah did.
Because God changed His mind, was Isaiah a false prophet?
There is no comparison between you and Jonah or Isaiah, Steve. None. You have made false claims for a long time and yet, you don’t learn by them. Yours is not the case of making a claim then God changing His mind. Yours is the case of someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about simply being WRONG and unwilling to admit it.
Well, I think we’ve gone as far as we can, Steve. You are in God’s hands and He will do what He needs to do.
By the way, the “sign of Jonah” was Jonah being in the whale’s belly for three days/nights, just as Christ was in the grave for three days/nights. Jesus said that an “adulterous and evil generation” seeks after a sign (of Jesus’ identity) and no sign would be given to it, except the sign of Jonah.
You have ZERO understanding, Steve. The sooner your followers find out about it, the better off they will be.
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Steve Fletcher | April 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM
Now Fred blocked me so I can´t answer his responses. Well I´ll be. So he knows when I proclaimed Rapture January 26 that nobody repented… it wasn´t God extending the time like with Jonah… Well I´ll be… he knows that. He must be real connected to god to know that for sure. Let´s just remember… Nineveh was destroyed… maybe it was when people started calling out Jonah for being a false prophet too… because he claimed an exact 40 day warning for destruction and nothing happened. Its all just a matter of time… and the end has been revealed!!! TICK TOCK. God bless all… all who are not right right now are in deep doo doo, JESUS COMES NOW!!!
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modres | April 26, 2014 at 7:03 AM
No, I haven’t blocked you, Steve. Every comment that is submitted needs to be moderated by me before it’s posted.
The Rapture as well as the physical return of Jesus Christ at the end of the age are events that are set in stone, Steve. Jesus said that no one knows the day or hour, but the Father only. These events are not “movable” because up until the time of Jesus’ return, people will be repenting and receiving salvation.
But the real problem is that when you proclaimed that the Rapture would occur on January 26th, you had no clue that you were wrong at that point. In fact, it is clear that you still believe you were correct, but that God simply changed the date.
I pray the Lord rebukes you for His sake and for His glory.
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Lydia | April 26, 2014 at 9:43 AM
I wonder how high the number of people you’ve blocked Steve? Then you go as far as taunting them saying things like “i see you looking but you can’t come in” (i have copies by the way). Where is their chance to reply to you? You are doing more damage to people than you know, destroying hurting people {not talking about the trolls}
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Lester | April 22, 2014 at 9:31 PM
I like your illustrations Fred! As for Mr Camping and others like him there is a very strong spirit of false prophesy that many cannot overcome and yes we need to pray for them. Fantasy and delusion can sweep one away if there are no checks and balances. Paul said he prays without ceasing. He also prayed in the spirit by tongues that the Lord gave him. Even so Paul had some things that were not from the Lord but we follow many of his statements.
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modres | April 23, 2014 at 6:08 AM
Checks and balances by relying in His Word and other spiritual mentors (iron sharpens iron) is the key, Lester.
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Lester | April 23, 2014 at 8:30 AM
AMEN!
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