The Unrealized Dangers of Astral Projection

June 15, 2011 at 7:23 PM 50 comments

We’ve all heard the phrases, astral projection or out of body experience.  When we hear it, we think of individuals who go into something like a trance and their consciousness separates physically from their body, yet it still connected through what is termed the silver cord.  In that situation, the silver cord is the only thing that keeps a person’s conscious awareness connected to their physical body.  To sever or destroy that silver cord means to kill the person’s physical body.

As I have begun to study this area called astral projection (and also known as an out of body experience, or OOBE), I cannot help but realize the dangers and full evil potential of the spiritual entities that wait just on the other side of our own physical dimension for opportunities that we may provide them, either intentionally or unintentionally.  However, to actively participate in what is known as astral projection, in nearly all respects, a person must want to go there.  This is not always the case, but in order for astral projection to occur, something must be generated so that a combination of brain waves together will cause this separation, or altered state of consciousness.

I was recently listening to a broadcast by Russ Dizdar where he related his understanding of astral projection and the dangers of it.  He discussed the craze of astral sex and how he has led many people out of that dangerous situation.  He also talked of many of the resources both on the Internet and in books that have helped him realize just how involved with this area so many people have become.

One Web site states, “Using brainwave technology it was found that a certain combination of alpha and theta harmonics caused the immediate transference of consciousness away from the physical body.” [1]   There are even places on the Internet where audio CDs can be purchased that create this type of separation after listening to the audio for twenty minutes or so through headphones.

People involved in this practice of astral projection often speak of the amazing things they see and experience.  They also describe their bodies almost as if they were like a type of Jell-O, yet able to control that astral body’s movements with practice.  There are many instances of people sharing examples of what happens to them during these times of out-of-body experiences and even astral projection sex that can and often happens.

Many to most of these people are not aware of the types of entities and beings they are dealing with in that disconnected state of mind.  What I think we fail to realize is that we exist presently within three dimensions (four, if you count time as one of those dimensions).  It seems to me that since the fall of humanity, God has made it so that we are sequestered to these dimensions, yet we want to experience more.  We are not supposed to try to leave these dimensions for any other dimensions that exist.

The truth of the matter is that any dimension beyond the dimensions in which we currently live obviously without question, are dimensions where spiritual entities and beings exist.  Their own home base is obviously outside of my four dimensions, though they can obviously come into and leave my dimensions as they will.  They can and do affect the lives of people in the here and now.

Think about it for a moment.  In the Bible, we know that certain prophets and apostles were actually allowed to leave their bodies for short periods of time, allowing them to see and to some extent even experience the events of the future.  We read of some of these events throughout Ezekiel or the book of Revelation, and though Ezekiel or John speak of seeing something “in the Spirit,” it is clear that God was the one who – for that specific purpose – allowed them to leave their bodies through a vision or something similar, in order for one purpose – to learn what would happen in the future from their point in time.  God did this so that generations to come would know what God had planned.  As these prophecies spoken of by Ezekiel, John, and others came to pass, it also becomes clear that the veracity of the Bible is once again, upheld.

In 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul speaks of how the final world dictator known as the man of sin (or the Antichrist), will become known, mostly due to the fact that the world itself will have become so perverse in the last days.  Paul tells us that this man of sin, “whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved,” (2 Thessalonians 2:9-10; emphasis added).  These counterfeit signs and miracles along with the constant and consistent rise in today’s moral perversions and addictions that do nothing but darken human understanding, are going to be clearly part of the End Times deception that he references.

Consider the exponential growth of interest in astral projection in the past few decades.  Sexual activity within the realm of astral projection, or out-of-body experiences, has also grown with it.  The reason for this is because it is often seen as literally having safe sex!  Think about it.  If a person enters into an out-of-body state through astral projection and meets beings or entities while there who start to have sex with that human person, what can happen?  Can the person become pregnant (if a woman)?  Can a sexually transmitted disease spread from the spiritual entity to the human being?

From my own study of the material that exists on astral projection and sex during that state, pregnancy seems to be impossible.  One person put it bluntly, “You can’t get pregnant by having astral sex any more than by not having sex at all.” [2]  So the draw for people to enter into an out-of-body experience seems to rest, to some degree, in the sexual encounters they embrace during those astral events.  The dangers seem non-existent, but are they?

We all know that Genesis 6 tells us of the Nephilim that were created due to the fact that the fathers of those Nephilim we call fallen angels found some way to impregnate human women.  We also believe that this was done purely by Satan to destroy the human strain of DNA.  If the human strain of DNA was fully destroyed, there would be no chance that God would be able to enter humanity as a human being Himself (while retaining His full deity) in order to become the atonement for sinful humanity, thereby being able to offer salvation to the fallen race of human beings.

Both Peter and Jude allude to the fact that these particular angels (the fathers of the Nephilim) were chained in darkness by God because of their crimes of not keeping their “first estate.”  Jude tells us, “And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.” (Jude 6).  Obviously, Jude cannot be referring to all angels who literally fell from grace by following Satan in his rebellion against God.  If so, all fallen angels would have been locked up.  Jude is speaking of specific angels who did something so horrendous that caused God to lock those specific angels away until their judgment so that they could not perpetrate that same type of terribly evil sin against humanity again.

If you believe that Genesis 6 refers to the line of Seth, or some other human lineage, that’s up to you.  Debating with me about it isn’t going to bring anyone any closer to the actual truth.  If I’m wrong, then I submit myself to the Lord who will straighten me out on that score.  I’ll let you do the same.

So if this was the case then during the time of Genesis 6, what is the deal now with all the talk about sexual relations in the spiritual realm, during astral projection?  What is the purpose of that?  I believe that unlike the incidence of Genesis 6, in which God saw how terribly evil the entirety of humanity had become, except for Noah and his immediate family, today’s demons are more interested in controlling humanity through direct intervention, than impregnating human women.

It is quite possible that the fallen angels who found a way to have sexual intercourse with human women (and interestingly, the very book quoted by Jude [and Peter] above called, The Book of Enoch, calls these beings The Watchers), were different from the other angels in heaven, which is why Jesus could rightly and accurately state that the angels in heaven are neither married or given in marriage (cf. Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25).  The Watchers and the angels who fell are no longer in heaven.  They may have started there, but no longer exist there.  When Jesus made the statement He made, the fallen angels had long ago fallen from their original state in heaven.  Specifically, if The Book of Enoch has any authenticity to it (and certainly both Peter and Jude believed it did), these Watchers seemed to be a completely different bunch of angelic beings from Gabriel, Michael and the others.  Then again, we do not know a great deal about angels in the first place, do we?

In today’s world, based on 2 Thessalonians 2, it seems clear that demons and Satan want more than anything, to have control over humanity.  That’s a given.  Getting human women pregnant isn’t really that fruitful.  Sure, if it could happen today with demons (the spirits of the Nephilim whose physical bodies died in the flood), the result would be some hybrid that will have far greater powers and abilities than any human, yet, still have less power and abilities than their spiritual fathers.  They would also be inferior to the original Nephilim as well.

Paul confirms that during these last days (like all times since Creation), prior to the revelation of the man of sin, the activities of Satan are seen within his power to deceive.  Satan has always deceived and he deceives in many ways. In all of those ways, he deceives through wickedness.  I think Paul is also stating that compared to any other time in human history, this period of time leading immediately up to the Tribulation will include some of the worst and most powerful deceptions known to humanity.

Consider the false signs and especially the wonders that happen because of Satan’s power with human beings now.  Astral projection, whether it’s true or whether it is simply an extremely strong delusion is difficult to know.  However, there is a far greater abundance of people literally clamoring after these types of things because of what they seem to gain from their involvement in it!  At the very least, it caters to the Self-centeredness of the world today!

Imagine going into an altered state of consciousness that allows a person to visit past lives, or experience remote image viewing (when a person is in one place, but can see things that happen far away).  During this event, a sexual encounter is experienced.  The people that tell of having these experiences speak of the intensity that overshadows anything like it in this physical realm.  In other words, these people talk of emotions, urges, and feelings that are so intense, they are difficult to explain.  It is as if their astral body has become electrically charged and because of that, all experiences, including sexual activity become tremendously magnified.

So, we have a much larger number of people seeking out and even experiencing these types of events and can easily become addicted to them.  Because of this growing addiction, they will seek them out more and more simply because of the quality of the experience itself, along with the belief that no harm can actually come from them.

One individual named “Sapphire” attests to the fact that for over 15 years, she has experienced astral projection daily and has enjoyed many sexual experiences within that realm of altered consciousness.  Another woman, in describing her first instance of astral projection, noted that while in her altered state, she first had sex with one entity, which was then followed by more encounters with numerous beings, at the same time.  This is nothing more than group sex, yet since it is done in another dimension via astral projection people see nothing wrong with it.  While it is real, in essence, it is not real, as far as our dimensions are concerned.  It is like dreaming, yet dreaming vividly.

At one point, after this woman had sex with multiple spiritual entities, she started coming back to her home.  She began to “wake up” after she got home and as she did, she felt the presence of another entity.  She realized that she was not yet fully awake from her astral projection.  All of a sudden, she was on the couch, having sex with yet another being.  This is the way she describes it.  “Next thing I knew I was on my couch, making love again, but I could only see bits of ceiling and the room as I tried to swing that tunnel vision toward the being I was with. His head was on my chest and I touched his hair and thought, “It’s G [my husband at the time].” I felt like it was G, and therefore felt fine making love to him, but then I had the thought that it was a trick, and whoever it was was just making me think it was G so I’d make love to him. (I wasn’t really too concerned with who it was, but was happy to think it was my husband).” [3]

So the woman describes literally being raped by numerous entities from other dimensions, arriving back home to her couch and then being raped again by still a different entity who seemed to pretend to be her husband.  She then notes that she began thinking it was a trick to simply make her believe it was her husband, but she obviously realized it was not.  However, she continued to believe that it was her husband though because thinking that way made her feel better about having sex.

So think of it.  If people are involving themselves in greater numbers of out-of-body experiences, they will very likely become extremely addicted to these sexual events.  If you consider the fact that people – by and large – cannot get enough sexual stimulation in this life, whether through movies, magazines, Internet porn sites, and the like, this then is just one more facet that creates an allegedly far greater sexual response than simply having physical sex with another human being in this realm!

People who have addictions find them extremely difficult to break.  I myself have one and it has to do with sugar.  I find myself eating candy, cookies, ice cream, or cake simply because those items are there, not necessarily because I want to eat them.  I have tried many things to eliminate the cravings (including not buying them!) and I have had some success, but the way some people love bread, I continue to love sweets.

Imagine if I could go to a place where everything was sweeter and far more satisfying to my mouth and stomach than the sweets that I eat in this realm.  It reminds me of Edmund in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, who meets the White Witch and is tempted with Turkish Delight.  He loves it and not getting enough of it makes him ornery.  We all have weaknesses and when they are not fulfilled, we too, can become ornery.

In Genesis 6, I toy with the belief that Satan went to the leader of the Watchers (Book of Enoch), and tempted him to lust after human women.  That leader took the bait and went back to the other Watchers and, as their leader, tempted them to join him in his sin.  They did and from that horrible union of women and fallen angels, the Nephilim were born.  Why did Satan tempt them to commit this terrible evil?  As stated, to destroy the human genome so that Jesus would not be born.

Today, we have Satan and demons finding ways to cash in on the weaknesses and pleasures of human beings.  Sexual relations in the proper context are fine.  However, because of this deceptive manipulation, people are entering into a new frontier of uncharted sexual territory combined with demonic evil.  It is leaving these people guilt-free while giving them levels of tremendous pleasure that they have not experienced before in this dimension.

In today’s world – the last days of human history prior to the Tribulation – Satan does not need to actual impregnate human women, so they can give birth to hybrids.  What’s the point of that?  He doesn’t need to destroy the human genome again.  He already tried that and like everything else he does, he failed.

So why are Satan and his demonic minions involved in deceitfully engaging human beings (both women and men) in things like astral projection and astral sex?  Simply because it opens the doors to the demonic realm that are extremely difficult to close and it is done so by the human being, willingly.

The person who opens that door is “rewarded” with sexual involvement that makes what they have in this realm pale in comparison in most cases.  I also believe that this is simply another way that Satan tries desperately to imitate God.  Let me explain.

We know that the Holy Spirit works in and through the Church.  Each member of the authentic Church is indwelt by the Holy Spirit.  We are empowered to overcome sin and He also works within us to change us to the image of Jesus, God the Son.  For the authentic Christian who lives to serve the only wise God, our Savior, the benefits are fully realized in the next life, however, while here in this life and within our four dimensions, we still gain quite a lot.  We learn what joy is, not just happiness.  We begin to comprehend what God’s love is all about and we come to terms with what it means to be fully forgiven.  We begin to see the scope of salvation as it presents itself to us for all eternity.  There are so many things that come with being an authentic believer in Jesus, words cannot describe them all.

Once the Church is gone, to a large degree, the Holy Spirit’s work in this world will be severely curtailed, at least initially, until He starts building things up again through the 144,000 of Revelation and their evangelistic assault on this earth; Satan’s temporary kingdom.

Without the Holy Spirit, the Christian’s work would amount to nothing.  Because of the Holy Spirit working in and through each Christian, lives are eternally changed and God is fully magnified.

Satan works the same way, except on an evil scale.  He wants and needs to work in and through people in order to fully accomplish his goals.  As things ramp up toward the end and the Church is taken out of the way, the doors will be thrust open by Satan and his hordes to fully extend his evil to the world and it will be done largely through the people they have come to control.

Those who have opened the door to what appears to be harmless sexual activity in another dimension, will find themselves overpowered by demons who have merely used sex as the carrot that gave them access to the heart of the individual.  Can you imagine a world in which millions of people, through one form or another, have willingly volunteered to enjoy what seemed to be “harmless sin” (an oxymoron) for a season, only to realize later that they unknowingly gave Satan full permission to use them however he wishes to do so?

What seems to so many, to be so innocuous, is willingly opening the door to  untold levels of evil that will force their way into this world and will quickly create the environment and atmosphere that will ultimately cater to and deliver the man of sin described in 2 Thessalonians 2 to the world.  People who open the door to other dimensions do so to their own (and the world’s) tremendous peril.  Satan and his demons not only look for, but work to create open doors through which they can march in order to gain control.

The person who believes that they control the situation during astral projection is fully deceived.  They are led away by the pleasure they encounter and that becomes the magnet for them to return, willingly submitting themselves to experiences that we are not supposed to experience!  In this case, it is what is known as Incubus/Succubus, which is the physical intermingling human and demonic.  This world is heading toward destruction simply because it is playing with dynamite that for now seems pleasurable, but the consequences for many will be nothing short of eternal death.

[1] http://oobe.mind-sync.com/newage/artastralastralprojectionsex.html

[2] www.starseeds.net/group/earthdragons/forum/…/sex-magick-ascension-for

[3] http://www.muse-net.com/apsex.html

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  • 1. Roach  |  June 18, 2011 at 8:04 AM

    I feel sorry for people who take this post seriously. Its a load of fearful crap. Christian dogma has no place in Astral education. If you have fear in your heart you are not ready to go on an astral plane because your own fears will project themselves. If you are a being of love and compassion you have no fear. you become impervious to imaginary evil entities because you know they are products of fear and are as real as smoke and shadow. Read any pertinent information about astral projection from educated non-dogmatic sources instead of this ignorant compilation and you will find similar truths. If you insist on having christian values inserted into your astral education, sorry but there are more ancient and wise cultures who have been studying this sort of thing for longer than christianity has existed.

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    • 2. modres  |  June 18, 2011 at 4:21 PM

      Hi Roach,

      No need to extend your sympathy to anyone. Nothing I said above was motivated by fear because perfect love casts out all fear. Perfect love is found in Jesus, not in some out-of-body, altered state astral projection. I say what I say because I love people and want them to find true salvation, not some inept and completely inferior experience that passes itself off as “love,” or some supposed salient form of “salvation” found outside of Jesus.

      Thank you for admitting that Christian dogma and astral education do not mix. In fact, they are diametrically opposed to one another. However, this does not mean that the truth of Scripture cannot shed light on the error of New Age mysticism. Astral education teaches that you are a god and you have the ability to create whatever reality you choose. Christianity teaches that humanity is corrupt and easily deceived. The way out of that deception is through Jesus and the only real salvation available to humanity. It is not that I am inserting my Christian values into astral education or teaching. I am simply comparing the teachings of the two and I find Astral education severely lacking.

      While you denigrate my “Christian dogma,” the fact of the matter is that you have absolutely no proof that what you or anyone else experiences in the astral plane is what it may seem to be. The only thing you can go by is how it makes you FEEL. Unfortunately, feelings can be extremely unpredictable leaving them a very poor barometer of truth. You assume that I have NOT read books by people like “Sapphire” and others.

      Your comments really make very little logical sense, though you obviously believe that you are being fully logical. What I am doing is basing any and all experiences on Scripture, using that as my highest authority. What you are doing is basing any and all experiences on what you believe about those experiences, using that as your highest authority. In other words, YOU are your highest authority. Though you may defer to those who have written about and/or studied the metaphysical, you are still going on their word.

      I do not need to light myself on fire to know that it would be extremely painful. I do not need to jump off a building to know that I would severely hurt or kill myself. I do not need to experience astral projection to know that there are things you cannot know, regarding its truthfulness or not. It really has absolutely nothing to do with fear at all, except as a possible byproduct if you are in error about what you experience during times of astral projection. It has everything to do with knowledge and what is truth.

      How do you know for instance, that you are not being deceived at every turn? Apart from Scripture, you can’t know that because you base your conclusions about astral projection on the way it makes you feel as you experience it. Yet, the more I study astral projection and other metaphysical areas (from those who have experienced it), the thing that I find most fascinating is that there is no real reason for participating in astral projection except to “enlighten” Self. This is another way of simply feeding or catering to Self. Consider the person that I wrote about who had sex with multiple partners. At one point, she believed she was being “tricked” into thinking that she was actually having sex with her husband and she realized that she was not. However, she chose to believe that it was in fact, her husband, because it made her feel better about having sexual relations with a being whose identity remained secret. In the end, she did not even receive any answers to her original questions.

      As I have said to others who are thoroughly steeped in New Age dogma and take issue at what I blog about, it is impossible to prove the identity of the beings you meet in the spiritual realm/dimension through feelings. The fact that they – because of their superiority over human beings – can easily hide their true identity should be alarming to folks who participate in astral projection or astral sex, but it isn’t.

      Let’s say for a moment the Bible is correct. Let’s also say, based on that, for anyone to reach the eternal state of paradise after this life, salvation must be embraced in this life; the very salvation that is extended to us from Jesus. If the Bible is true, then does it not make sense that an entity originally known as Lucifer who seeks to KEEP people from knowing about and receiving that salvation would do anything within his power to make that happen, including creating a world in which people believe that they travel throughout the universe, meet other beings, enjoy remote image viewing and all the rest?

      It is really a matter of choice, isn’t it? You have chosen your path based on your own interests and how those interests have led to your experiences, and how those experiences make you feel. However, you are ultimately catering to Self. Jesus – regardless of how often He is misquoted and/or misrepresented by proponents of New Age dogma – teaches just the opposite. We are to move away from Self, not cater to it. There is nothing good in Self at all.

      It is I who feel sorry for you. If what I’m saying is true – the Bible is correct and you are wrong – the unfortunate part of this entire thing is that if you reject this (alleged) biblical truth and die without ever having received salvation, you will spend an eternity wishing above all things that you had turned your back on the very things you cannot prove and embraced actual truth.

      You may wish to contact Russ Dizdar, who has had been involved (for many years) in helping people like yourself leave the path you’re one, which is essentially the broad way that leads to death. Before you simply reject out of hand everything I’m saying, at least give yourself the opportunity to know whether or not what you are involved in is truth or is something based on deceit.

      You did not find my site by accident – there are no accidents in life. I believe God directed you to it to read exactly what you read. Certainly, those beings that you may meet while in an altered state of consciousness do not want you to even consider that what I’m saying may be truth.

      By the way, I would like to suggest one thing to you, if you don’t mind. The next time you enter into an altered state and you begin to see or meet entities, ask them – in the Name of Jesus Christ – to reveal their true name and identities to you. If I am wrong and you are correct, you have absolutely nothing to lose or be concerned about. If I am correct and you are wrong, then they will be forced to tell you WHO they are and WHY they are doing what they are doing. This has nothing to do with fear at all and everything to do with truth. Those beings – if they are misrepresenting themselves – are the ones who will fear, mark my words.

      I hope you are open-minded enough to go that route because it may go a long way in helping you discern the truth of your experiences. Apart from that, all you have is your own idea or belief about what is true. Either way, I hope you will get back to me. Thanks for writing and I not only wish you the best, but I am praying that the Lord will open the eyes of your heart to see and embrace the truth.

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  • 3. Ana  |  August 11, 2011 at 8:19 PM

    I’ve been experiencing and trying to cope with this ”phenomenon” since I was 4yrs old. The episodes have gotten worse over the years… dark shadows, growling, hot breath on my neck, the feeling of something or someone pouncing on my bed. A couple of months ago it happened every night for a few weeks straight and haven’t been able to sleep in my room since… Although, it can and has happened in other rooms and houses. It just seems to happen more frequently in my own room. I’ve even experienced sex with an invisible entity, UNWILLED.

    Upon researching over the years I’ve come across several explanations, but have always been convinced it was more than just a “sleep disorder” and more of something spiritual. I just came across this post upon googling the newest term I came across recently, “astral catalepsy”. I feel very strongly that this may be the most accurate explaination as to what’s REALLY happening. I’d really like to read more of your views on this. Do you have anything more to add? I’d like to learn as much as possible.

    BTW.. My relationship with God isn’t as strong as it should be, but I like to think I have one. Please help! Ty!

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    • 4. modres  |  August 11, 2011 at 8:56 PM

      Hi Ana, while I’m not an expert on the situation, you mention a few things that stand out. If you have experienced this in the past and you also admit that your relationship with the Lord is not as strong as it could be, then the one thing you could start doing is improving that relationship. Rather than take the time to research what’s been happening – and I think it is likely demonic activity – I would suggest strengthening your relationship with God would correct the problem. I would spend some time confessing your situation to the Lord, not that you are to blame for it. I’m simply saying that if you know your relationship is not where it should be, THAT’S what you confess and then ask Him to help strengthen your relationship with Him.

      Read the Word every day. I would suggest reading a Psalm and Proverb every day and then think about what you’ve just read. Other books like Jude, Titus and the gospels (especially John) are great places to start in the New Testament. Ask the Lord to guide you every day. Each day, commit yourself to Him all over again, asking that only His will be accomplished in your life. In order to strengthen your relationship with Him, you do not need to delve into the dark side, so to speak. Suffice it to say that what you’re experiencing is very likely demonic. It is what is termed incubus/succubus, which is when demons have sexual relations with human beings. What do you need to know beyond that? It is evil and wrong and while it is not something you necessarily perpetrated or WANT to happen, only the Lord can set you free from it and He’ll do it as you rely on the power of His Name and His presence. Prayer is the key.

      I would suggest spending more time in prayer and the one thing that should make a difference immediately is the next time you start to sense that an entity is present and wanting to take advantage of you sexually, I would pray – out loud – in the Name of Jesus that the entity would LEAVE. Rely on God and He will bring you through this. It may be that the entity will not give up easily – you said this has been happening since you were four years old. In that case, things are pretty entrenched and even if you claim the Name of Jesus and the entity leaves, the same (or another) entity might return later. You’ll have to take the same approach each time.

      The whole thing is kind of like experiencing temptation. You resist temptation in His power, but sometime later, another temptation comes along and you have to resist that one as well, also in His power. It will likely take some time to build up the faith that comes from a strong relationship with God, but in the immediate future, if this happens again, then immediately pray aloud that God will protect you. Simply say, “Lord Jesus, please protect me from this entity. Please Lord, tell this entity to LEAVE, in YOUR NAME! I thank you, Jesus!” or something similar.

      I will pray for you Ana, and please keep me informed. Remember, please READ His Word every day, and PRAY which is nothing more than talking with Him so that you can learn to discern what His will is for your life. Lord bless you. If you are not involved in church, then I will pray that the Lord will direct you to a good one in your area. Fellowship with other saints is important.

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  • 5. Confidential  |  December 2, 2011 at 9:56 PM

    Hello all!
    I have read the above posts & have to tell you that I started having spontaneous astral projections approx 10-15 years ago & it was not something I liked or wanted in the beginning. It was frightening, dark & hellish. I would rarely end up here (ie: my bedroom-like most people), but what I consider to be “where dead people would go”. I learned quickly that dark entities fed off fear & makes them more powerful. Once I began to stand up to them, I was often “granted” to go to higher levels. in MY experiences I would almost always fly. Hard to learn but it DOES feel cool, to be perfectly honest. The scary places are completely black or dimly lit & you feel as if “you” are being haunted. You are ALONE & left to fend for yourself. Everything is emotion there. The dark entities in my experiences have no real facial features, they are more like black shadows. When this started happening to me I prayed for it to go away, but they continued. It even got to the point that I one time sat up (I thought I was awake) in my bed and a mans arms began to shake me wildly. At first instinct, I pulled back in fear & he shook me all the more and then I stopped fighting. He stopped. I could feel the veins on his hands, his arms and the hair on his arms. It was evident that he was an older man (and mean). As soon as I reached out with kindness to embrace him he dissipated right before me. I could feel each molecule of energy of him leave. I quickly learned that if I can’t control “these” experiences, I must stand up to them. (by the way, I slept with the lights on for a week with that experience) then gradually I was allowed to go UP. These first few levels aren’t AS frightening but there are real souls there. Not only do you speak with your mind (telepathically), they can make you feel their emotions. Most everybody in this region thought I was dead like them. One woman made me feel the pain of her death (yes you CAN feel real pain, pleasure, cold, warmth). I was also clocked straight in the face by a baseball bat from a male entity I did not see coming. (worst pain of my life feeling your entire face shatter). Yes scary and real! Not lucid, not dreamy, but REAL. It’s a real dimension, but not ALL bad. I noticed after awhile I would be in areas with what seemed to now be hundreds, if not thousands of people. Everybody is hustling & bustling going somewhere, doing something. I would compare it to almost looking like a large airplane terminal. This is where everybody has their job to do. I would go around to people asking “where is this”! Please, please tell me more. A lot of them you could tell “wanted” to give you information but were not “allowed”. I would beg & beg them and these places were very kind & loving. Everything is very fast and I remember speaking to this black man (I had to practically wrestle him down) to speak slowly. He would “think” so fast, I could not keep up with him. I’d say please, please, speak slowly….where is this place? Just then as in a normal conversation, my glance was side-tracked by some other people & he said to me very slowly, okay listen….I can’t talk to you if you concentrate on something else. Concentrate on ME only so you can hear my mind. Once you lose focus, & focus on someone else’s conversation, you will automatically be “tuned” into THEM. If you fly above the crowd, you will only hear what sounds like chatter that is indecipherable. Some people will interact with you, some will not. Mostly what you “want” to do is only explore. Almost everybody in this area are adults and not older than about 30-35 as they appear. The only encounters I’ve had where people appear older is what I consider the “teaching” areas. I call them elders and they are wise and appear older, even grey. They stay at the front of the room and there are pulpits. One time I interrupted a teaching session and I didn’t know it and I didn’t know where I was. I floated above and everybody patiently waited and smiled at me while I “stopped” the instruction and floated above them. I went to sit in the front row. That was the only time I was politely told….no, this is reserved for the elders. She only smiled & I got so embarrassed but they didn’t care one bit. When I sat to listen to the lecture, I was immediately transported to another area. Trust me, they will not allow you to go where you aren’t supposed to be. In these areas I felt protected and safe, but it had not always been that way. I saw magnificent things like huge, gigantic, majestic doors with carved wood & what appeared to look like some strange hieroglyphics. One time I went to speak & I spoke in Spanish! (I do not speak Spanish….and to this day I do not know what I said!). As things progressed, I noticed a change in my visits. At times I would be allowed to go into places and people would just “examine me” to see what I would do, where I would go. I was given the freedom to explore more and at this point I had gotten good at flying and my favorite things was going “through” things! If you go through a door lets say, you do “see” the wood grain. If you go through a window, things get blurry. If you go through another person (yes, I did this by accident, you see what looks like almost red bubbles and hear static) I was allowed to one time see the “future” of items that in our time would be one day put into an antique shop. I got to see some visions of “inventions” people are conjuring up here on earth and it was as if they were testing me. Then I was going through a real rough time in my life with my employment and had a projection. I was taken to an area where my “chart” was. My chart included everything in my life from beginning to end and they held it out only so I could look at it on the outside, but nobody could open it. Not me or them. The only thing they could do was prophesied over it & “ask me”…has such & such happened to you in your life or this or that? (to make sure they had the right chart) I answered yes, yes & then I made the mistake….I EXAGGERATED about something and found out it is absolutely “impossible” to lie there. (ummm, they can read your thoughts…duh!) It was embarrassing, but again, they didn’t judge me. I asked them if I could change a course in my chart regarding my employment and they had to go higher up to have that done but took my petition. (it was granted btw :) And then I was “tested”. I got so used to the good places, I forgot the lower ones and here is where the astral sex comes in. I can tell you for a FACT is DOES happen and I have participated in it. It feels as real as real can get and both men & women will try to have sex with you. They also can change what they look like to be appealing to you. It feels good and you WILL get caught up in it unless you just simply have a will of steel. It is a very tempting place because they make it “appear” okay. It can be a one-on one thing or almost what you’d see in a big porn, orgie session. THEN….I had a man come up to me and he looked at me and changed his face to look like a celebrity that I thought was attractive and then sternly WARNED ME!!!! Be careful, this is a FALSE REALITY! I couldn’t believe it. Now I have learned the “good places from the bad”. Trust me, God doesn’t want you to engage in sex with people who change their identity to lure you in. The bad places are cunning. They are not wholesome, nurturing, kind or happy. The good places are ALWAYS happy, kind, full of light and even much, much more colorful. The grasses are the greenest you’ve ever seen and if you float up to a pine tree and you are cold, the needles will glow GOLD and warm you! I have recently been “saved” (or what I consider to call it; to have my name written in the book of life…grew up strict Catholic so they don’t really go by this doctrine. I have my OWN doctrine now. It’s only what I call TRUTH). Anyways, the devil came right away in one of these projections recently and I was the most frightened I’d ever been. I felt like I was in Hell and Satan & his minions were taking me there. The only thing I could think to do was say Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ! As SOON as I called out to God…..I was released at ONCE! You better believe this initial post, because it’s true. Do NOT engage in sex with these entities. I have not heard of a lot of people that have been as lucky as I have been to be warned & shown certain things but just be careful because what you may be witnessing is a false reality. Not one meant for good.

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    • 6. modres  |  December 3, 2011 at 8:30 AM

      Hi,

      I appreciate your post but I’m also very concerned for you. The reality is that the OT is filled with numerous passages that forbid our talking with or connecting with people who are dead. In essence, what you are doing is going into another dimension that is off-limits to us as long as we are alive.

      The only exceptions to that is when God Himself calls a person into that realm and He does so for a specific purpose. This was the case with every prophet who saw things beyond this life, whether it was Ezekiel, Elijah, Elisha, Enoch, the apostles Paul, John, or Peter, or anyone else.

      King Saul fell from grace because he chose to look into that area by seeking out the witch of Endor. Whether he actually wound up speaking with the deceased Samuel is up for debate, but the reality is that he did what he was not allowed to do.

      If I were you, I would REJECT through the authority of Jesus Christ anything connected to that realm simply because my understanding of the Bible tells me that things are off-limits to us there.

      I believe that what you are seeing and what you are experiencing is fully demonic, even though at least some of it appears to be “good” and “wholesome” to you. I’m sure you disagree with me, but I would ask you to do this the next time an astral projection event begins. Immediately pray to Jesus and in His Name that the event STOPS.

      While you have wisely decided that having sex with beings while in another dimension is wrong (just as ALL sexual encounters with people outside of the bonds of matrimony are wrong), the truth is that you have no clue whether or not the entire astral projection event is wrong. What APPEARS to be very real to you may simply be a very realistic waking dream that may seem real in every way.

      If what you are experiencing is FAKE, then the question is why would any entity try to conjure up something that is fake, yet this detailed and realistic? There is only one answer: it is to distract us from the reality of who God is and the only salvation that is available in and through Him.

      If you step back for a moment, ask yourself: do these events BENEFIT me in any way, shape, or form? Moreover, do they glorify God?

      The answer is NO. They are created as a complete distraction for you (and many other people) because you come to think that these events are real, therefore you begin to doubt the veracity of Scripture. It is as if a big “con” was being perpetrated on you where your view of “reality” is adjusted to fall in line with what you are experiencing. Since at least some of the things you are experiencing are prohibited by Scripture (and you may or may not know this), then you begin to think that you have misunderstood Scripture and there must be another way of interpreting it since your experience is telling you something else.

      In the end, there is absolutely NO reason why anyone would have experiences like this, unless God is the one who initiates it and according to Scripture, the ONLY times He initiated something like this is to reveal something about Himself and His Word to humanity. So what does Satan do? He comes along with his demonic minions and creates artificial realities that people experience and because they feel so real, it is difficult to ignore or explain them away.

      It is the exact same thing that occurs with respect to UFOs and aliens. I do not doubt that something has happened to people who claim to have been abducted. However, there have been cases where the events were immediately stopped when the individual claimed the blood of Jesus and prayed fervently for the event to stop. As soon as they did, the beings disappeared and the event ceased.

      It is also important to understand that not once did you see anything that might be described as heaven. Where was Jesus? How about angelic beings? How about demons?

      You say you grew up strict Catholic but now are “saved” and you have your own doctrine now. No idea what that is, but all I can tell you is that what you are experiencing is not biblical.

      I would encourage you to do some research on your own. You are being tricked and even though the trickery is exceedingly real, it is nonetheless a trick. Do NOT participate any longer!

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      • 7. Pam  |  December 4, 2011 at 9:19 AM

        hi & thank you for your response. I acknowledge your concern & although you don’t know the extent of my travels, I actually have seen Jesus in several of my experiences, although at the beginning, he would disguise himself as a depressed being in the corner or a homeless drunk. I went up to the homeless drunk & smelled alcohol on his breath & judged him & accordinely & was immediately sent back to my body. I have seen the whole of jesus sitting in front of me & he never spoke to me. He sat on the ground as if drawing in the sand. I’ve also seen the majestic hand & arm of God himself & the bright light above that is whiter than ANY light & brighter than you can imagine. I cannot believe these rhelms would be satanic because they simply cannot go where there IS light…period! I have asked God & prayed many a time to delivery these things & unless you yourself have had these travels, you would know its impossible to control them. I do not TRY to achieve these travels, they are spontaneous. Likewise, you cannot say there “force me back to my body”…at least for me anyways. I guess you can judge me for something I simply can’t control but my heart is pure. I have done no man wrong & listen to sermons & grow & evolve with ALL works of literature. Not only does the bible hold sacred documents, but there were so many scholars & writings left out of the bible by the popes of the time & people even burned at the stake for believing they could have a personal relationship with God. I’m sorry, but I have an intimate relationship with God and even if I pray for descernment & knowledge, he will speak back to me in analogies & parables. I’m radical in my thoughts & beliefs & I don’t apologize for that if the outcome is my ultimate salvation. I don’t tell anybody how their “way” of becoming closer to Him is wrong nor right, as long as it bringing them closer to a personal relationship with God. I can read the bible all day but unless I have love in my heart, it produces no salvation. Only I can plant that seed of righteousness, nobody for me. I am nothing special. I have no formal education, am humble & come to God as an infant (because thats basically what I am…i am not even worthy of his thought), yet he loves me when I hate myself & simply don’t understand WHY. I don’t understand WHY I’ve seen what I have, yet I do! I only say “let your will be done…as I am your soldier, youre slave”. Even if I have to endure spiritual things I don’t particularly like or understand, I will…for HIM. God roams too & fro across the earth looking for people to glorify him, not judge. Why are you so certain God isn’t using this experience in me that was meant for harm, to turn for good? Don’t you think God is more powerful than your worldly knowledge, when we here on earth know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to his magnificence? I humble myself before him in homage & he speaks wisdom to me without reading a bible verse to get it! I only must believe in faith HE knows whats in store for me. Sometimes you have to go through the fire, to get salvation & thats exactly what I plan to do. You don’t know my journey or my heart or salvation. “God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise”.

      • 8. modres  |  December 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM

        Hi,

        First up – I’m not judging YOU at all. I’m merely holding your experiences up to Scripture – that’s it. Throughout the Bible, we are warned about avoiding all types of spiritism.

        Ultimately, the Bible is the light for our path and anything that is opposed to Scripture should be avoided. Otherwise, what is Scripture for?

        Do you KNOW what salvation IS? Can you explain it biblically in one or two sentences?

        You ask me whether I think God is “powerful than your worldly knowledge”? The answer is an unequivocal OF COURSE HE IS since He is infinite and I’m not. However, this does not negate the truth of His Word. You are arguing that though God is more powerful than my worldly knowledge, you seem to have absolutely no faith in His Word. You seem to believe that because books were left out (and for good reason) somehow God was not involved in the process.

        You explain that you have seen Jesus in literally sinful situations (drunk). How could that be? Jesus would never have been drunk in this life because the Bible prohibits it (not drinking; just being DRUNK), yet to you this is fine because somehow Jesus wanted to hide Himself from you?

        You have to go through the fire to “get salvation?” Where is that in Scripture?

        I’m thinking you love these events and because of that, you really don’t want to give them up at all. However, I would ask that at the very start of the next one, PLEASE call out to Jesus and ask Him to stop it them if they are not FROM Him. Surely, you would be willing to do that?

        The Bible clearly distinguishes the truth of salvation from man-made systems, or even those cleverly disguised by the enemy of our souls. My biggest concern for you is whether or not you HAVE salvation, which is a free gift, not of ourselves, so that we cannot boast. You seem to be saying that you have to somehow earn it – a leftover theology from your days as a Roman Catholic. Why on EARTH would you have to “go through the fire” if Jesus already experienced the Father’s wrath while He hung on Calvary’s cross?

        Your salvation seems to be built on your experiences, which have nothing to do with biblical salvation. Paul tells us that Satan can appear to us as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14). Do you have any idea how many people involved in the New Age movement experience the SAME type of experiences you do and they have no religious background, nor do they (like you) put too much faith (if any) in God’s Word.

        You have become enamored by your experiences and you may have gotten to a point of believing that whether they are right or wrong does not matter because of the esoteric knowledge you seem to be learning. It’s like the old song making the statement, “if loving you is wrong, I don’t want to be right.”

        This is what you appear to be doing. You have so convinced yourself that this is the way God words that even though it’s NOT in His Word and He has given us numerous passages where He clearly prohibits this type of involvement with the spiritual realm, that to you, that’s all that matters.

        This statement you make here is probably the scariest: “I humble myself before him in homage & he speaks wisdom to me without reading a bible verse to get it!”

        Wow, then you have absolutely NO reason to read His Word, yet we are told that we should actually STUDY it to show ourselves approved by Him. It is in studying His Word that we become able to rightly divide it.

        I’m sorry, but I truly believe that you are allowing yourself to be carried off down a path AWAY from God. It will not belong before the entities in other dimensions begin planting the idea that you are a god unto yourself.

        You also say, “people even burned at the stake for believing they could have a personal relationship with God.”

        I know of no one who was burned at the stake for believing they could have a personal relationship with God. As a matter of fact, ALL authentic Christians have a personal relationship with God.

        People were burned at the stake for deigning to translate the Bible into the common language so everyone could read it. They were burned at the stake for their unwillingness to RECANT their faith in Jesus. They were burned at the stake for not seeing the Roman Catholic Church as the mediator between God and man, when in reality that Mediator is Jesus.

        I don’t know what to tell you, but I hope one day the Lord will open your eyes to path that you have chosen; a path that is taking you FROM God, not TO Him.

  • 9. Confidential  |  December 5, 2011 at 10:59 AM

    First of all, you contradict yourself in several scenarios above & don’t make much sense in several of your overall views. Several examples are below:

    You say: “I’m not judging YOU at all”…..AND THEN…..”I’m sorry, but I truly believe that you are allowing yourself to be carried off down a path AWAY from God. It will not belong before the entities in other dimensions begin planting the idea that you are a god unto yourself” AND…”Do you have any idea how many people involved in the New Age movement experience the SAME type of experiences you do and they have no religious background, nor do they (like you) put too much faith (if any) in God’s Word”
    REALLY?…That’s not judgmental? Wow! Now I think I’m a GOD and you know HOW MUCH faith I put in God’s word? Clearly, those are both judgmental statements in which you are putting in your own two cents where they do not belong. Thus, that is a LIE & you have slandered me. I am not one to judge, but then again, you may want to think about repenting on that one.

    You say: “You explain that you have seen Jesus in literally sinful situations (drunk). How could that be? Jesus would never have been drunk in this life”…..
    That’s right! We are not talking about THIS life, are we? Are we not speaking of the next?…The esoteric realm? (btw, you misread my whole experience there & twisted it’s meaning, see below).

    You say: “Throughout the bible we are warned about avoiding all types of spiritism”- Then, ponder this, how if not “through spirit”, can you have a relationship with God? Yes, God clearly does say not to go to any counselor such as a medium, etc. but you act as if I’m GOING to Satan! You are NOT seeing the bigger picture here. What do you think prophets were involved in? Enoch was show in a vision during a dream of how creation came to be & even numbered the stars that even the angels were not privy to. Thus, aren’t you taking specific passages out of the bible to suit your own purpose?

    You say: “The BIBLE” is our light for our path” – Really? I thought Jesus Christ was the light for our path?…but then again, maybe the bible in your opinion has more power than Christ. I digress.

    You say: “You seem to have absolutely no faith in his word”. – You are under the impression that HIS WORD is ONLY the bible! Does not God speak through many things? People, circumstances, the heart? Do you really think that KNOWING the bible & understanding it makes you an automatic candidate to go to Heaven? Trust me, the devil knows “the word” better than you and I combined! If you know anything about the creation of Lucifer, you know he was the 1st of the archangels created and was MADE TO BE the angel of song, praise & worship. KNOWING the word doesn’t, in my opinion, save your soul. Yes, I believe you should use it as an instrument or manual to run your life to achieve salvation, but just as a car has an owners manual in the glove box does not make you a safe driver! The only thing that can make you a good driver is practice. Here on earth, we call this: life & experiencing, evolving & growing. Just as God made each of our lives unique, so did he our salvation. Just because you pray a prayer, in my opinion, doesn’t make you saved. You MUST follow it up with deeds. A prayer & acceptance can be a beginning point to salvation and knowing that your blood bought right & inheritance to achieve that salvation is the beginning, but in the same token you can’t say okay, I prayed this “magical” two second prayer, I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior, go murder someone, repent & KEEP SINNING! Yes, we ALL fall short of the glory of God and DO sin, but DEEDS keep us from continuing to sin. Do you see the larger picture here? Too many people are so caught up in religious doctrine that they forget to actually “look outside the box” and realize oh yeah, umm…I guess I can’t go around and be a serial killer & say I’m sorry all my life & go to heaven. New Age or what you seem to define me as (personally, I define me as a Child of God…but whatever), are people who DO think outside of the box. JESUS made people think outside of the box! Now your next comment may be Oh my Gosh…she now thinks she’s Jesus! No, I’m saying “Don’t conform to society” and try thinking for YOURSELF, not just what the bible says. Are you a robot? No, you can reason, you can discern so use that God given wisdom. Do you even realize HOW MANY discrepancies & contradictions the bible even has? If you must insist on taking everything literally…let’s look at just a few:

    War or Peace?
    EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
    ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

    Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
    JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
    JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    Is it folly to be wise or not?
    PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
    ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
    1CO 1:19: “For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”

    Righteous live?
    PSA 92:12: “The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree.”
    ISA 57:1: “The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart.”

    These are just to name a few so who gets to decide what the REAL truth is? YOU! That’s right…..Bingo! God gives you discernment. God gives you the power to decide that? Oh yes…now think of that! THATS thinking outside of the box my friend! Do you not think that God can’t grant someone the SAME discernment regarding the Spiritual realms? Yes, of course he can or are you so closed-minded that because you can’t conceive it, it doesn’t make it so? In my opinion, that is called belief & faith.

    The next thing you took “literally” was my experience smelling alcohol on the begger. Let’s just take a step back here & say for your sake this was NOT Jesus. Okay, maybe it was an Angel, I don’t know. TO ME he seemed to represent Jesus. In this instance, I judged him and was sent directly back to my body. Now let’s think about this. What you are not getting here (that I did) was that because I judged him unfairly the lesson they were trying to teach me was that Christ even made homeless, drunk, beggars who are worthy of salvation. No one better than another. It doesn’t matter what you do, what you look like, how much money you make or what education you have. Everyone has the same shot! Get it? Also, was there not wine in the bible that people used for celebratory purposes and giving of thanks & sacrifices? If you don’t think so, please refer to the book of Esther as she asks the King to spare the Jews & she creates a great feast. You may say….”now you’re blowing the bible out of context”. NO!…according to what you say the bible is RIGHT all right & men can’t think for themselves. See? I can take passages from the bible to turn them into ludicrous meanings to suit my purpose also. This is what a lot of “religious” people seem to do. I’ve never understood why to be frankly honest.

    Next, as a literal statement you took what I said “Sometimes you have to go through fire to get salvation”. Number 1, did I imply I was stating scripture? Obviously to you, you could not discern that NO, I was not. In simple terms, I was using an analogy, meaning basically any man who be in Christ WILL have to undergo judgement & persecution by others in order to stay on the narrow path of salvation.

    Your quote: ” I’m thinking you love these events & because of that, you really don’t want to give them up at all”. Here you go “thinking (and judging)” again. I think you quite possibly think too much! Do you think I liked it when a spirit grabbed me? Do you think I liked being haunted by evil entities in the beginning? Did you not read that I have prayed for them to stop? Do you think it’s cool to be literally taken to Hell? That’s like saying to a woman that she likes to be raped! Do I embrace the Heavenly realms? Oh you better believe it! Have you ever awoke seeing bits of Heaven & it’s splendor & LOVE and wept because of the beauty & happiness? No! You haven’t, so please don’t comment on my own personal experiences with God.

    Another thing you don’t seem to get is that during an astral projection, you cannot just calmly say “Jesus, stop this right now”! Number one, you can’t ORDER God around and number two if you are in a heavenly place your natural “instinct” there is to find God because you simply don’t want to be away from him. It is like breathing air. You just want to get closer to him! The thought of being delivered from there CANT come to mind unless you are in an evil area. Have you ever seen or felt any realm of Heaven? It is PURE love & happiness. Only kindness. Satan is NOT allowed in these holy areas. It’s like mixing oil & water. Its simply impossible. Trust me, when you are in a dark area, you WILL feel confused & fearful. The things with my projections is that I do not try to induce them. I can’t start them, nor stop them, nor pray them away. Believe me, I’ve tried. It’s like you telling me: Go! automatically wake up during surgery under anesthesia! If I could I would but as an analogy, you get the point.

    People really need to stop playing religious games and really learn what love is & the way that God wants us to live & each one of us forget about what everybody else is doing. You say your biggest concern for me is whether or not I HAVE salvation. My biggest concern is why YOU are concerned about my salvation? Shouldn’t that be between me & my maker? You are not going to get me into Heaven, I am!

    1 COR 1:11- For it has been clear to me, my bretheren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions, wrangling’s & factions among you. He goes on to speak: What I mean by this is that each one of you says I belong to Paul, or I belong to Apollos, or I belong to Peter, or I belong to Christ.

    It’s no different than saying: Well, I’m Baptist, I’m Catholic, I’m Jewish, I’m Buddhist. One person thinking they have ALL THE TRUTH & everybody else in the world is wrong is just plain dumb!
    You feeling you have to get your point across so BIBLICALLY that you have to belittle their own beliefs because they do not correspond with yours? When you do that, you’re actually exceedingly insulting and “being little”. In this whole correspondence, you have freely given your opinion & have judged my intentions, my heart, my acts, my past religion and now even my own salvation! Sometimes you can tell who is the most spiritually mature by the one who says you know what?…I think I’m right but I could be wrong & it’s certainly not worth arguing over. Make a decision that if you’re in conflict about your beliefs with somebody & you’re so sure that you’re right, but proving you’re right is starting to cause strife, then just give it go God & if you need to be proven to be in the right, let God vindicate & take care of that. But for me, I will be a maker & maintainer of peace. I do urge you to do the same.

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    • 10. modres  |  December 5, 2011 at 12:44 PM

      Hi Pam,

      I’m sorry you took my words as an affront. I’m really NOT judging YOU. I’m judging your WORDS.

      You are captain of your own life. I fully disagree with what you are experiencing, because it is not biblical, but have at it. You don’t need my approval or disapproval.

      I wish you had a far better grounding in His Word, but it seems that you are just not interested in that because you prefer your experiences.

      As you have said, He speaks to you without you ever having to go to His Word.

      I wish you read the book of Galatians where Paul takes GREAT pains to point out the error of those in that congregation. He is forceful and when you quote 1 Cor 1:11, are you aware of the context? He is NOT talking about biblical truths there like salvation so much as he is talking about people arguing over minutiae, like which hymnal to use, or which version of the Bible is better – that kind of thing. You would NEVER hear Paul saying “Hey, salvation is something different to each person – no worries!”

      The reason I am concerned about your salvation is simply because nothing you have said indicates to me that YOU believe you have it. It is a free gift. Why are you trying to earn it through these manifold esoteric experiences?

      I am NOT in any way attempting to belittle YOU or your BELIEFS. All I am doing is voicing concern.

      You know, when you read Acts 17, the people there heard the apostle Paul preach. They took what he said and then they did something that was extremely beneficial to them. They compared what Paul said to what is taught in Scripture. Once they did that, they realized that what Paul had taught was TRUTH.

      Please note that these people – the Bereans – went BACK to the Bible. You don’t do that. The Bereans did not compare Paul’s teachings to their esoteric experiences. They compared what he taught to God’s Word. On the other hand, YOU are trying to determine TRUTH from esoteric dreams, visions, and astral projection.

      EVERY time Jesus was tempted, what was Jesus’ response? He did not refer to some esoteric experience. He QUOTED Scripture. If quoting Scripture was something that Jesus did as a defense against temptation, don’t you think it’s a good idea that we should also strive to know His Word as well?

      Please remember, YOU came to my site here and offered YOUR comments. I did not come to YOU. Since I believe what you are experiencing is WRONG, then I am obligated to point that out. If you believe I am condemning you, I’m sorry you feel that way, because I am not.

      This is the same argument that the homosexual community uses when Christians simply point out what the Bible says about homosexuality being wrong; a sin. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve been called a “hater” because I have simply referred to what God says about the subject. I don’t hate homosexuals at all, no more than I hate myself for my own sin, or for the sin of prostitutes.

      Who knows, but maybe the Lord is trying to tell you something through my comments. If He isn’t, then He isn’t, but I would appreciate it if you would TRY to understand where I am coming from. I am not judging you at all. I’m simply comparing YOUR experiences to SCRIPTURE and Scripture tells me that what you are doing is a form of mysticism that is also considered to be idolatrous. Because of that, it is wrong.

      I realize you fully disagree with me but at least disagree with me on the grounds of something other than your emotional reaction to what I am saying.

      That’s the problem with esoteric experiences. They play with our emotions and they tend to control us after a while.

      Years ago, I was involved in the Charismatic movement. Looking back, I realize that I was becoming geared to living in the emotional realm (meaning, my emotions GUIDED me and my outlook on life), rather than my God-given intellect and His Word.

      I still have emotions and I react to things; death of a family member, loss of a pet, etc., but my emotions do not pull me around.

      If you STOPPED having these esoteric experiences, my bet would be that you would go into some great depression because you would be tempted to think that God is upset with you or that He doesn’t love you anymore. This would be in spite of the truth of His Word that says NOTHING can separate us from His love (Romans 8). That would matter little because your EMOTIONS would be telling you something else and you would listen to them, rather than by faith, simply believing His Word.

      Please remember that YOU came here to MY blog and commented. I did NOT seek you out. Maybe there was a reason for that?

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      • 11. Confidential  |  December 6, 2011 at 2:51 PM

        Yes, I did come to your site & actually supported the topic of this which was astral sex. Somehow, you seemed to want to get into an esoteric/biblical battle…which I won’t continue. I’ve explained my experiences only mostly regarding these projections & you are under the impression I have not read the bible. I read almost daily. Maybe I came here to give you knowledge?…who knows. If somebody grows from it, great! If not then maybe future readers will benefit from the blog. I just don’t want to go around life thinking I have all the truth, because I don’t! Christ does & as long as we love him & others & are evolving towards him, then I don’t condemn anybody. If somehow Satan is trying to harm me through these experiences & I interpret them according to what love is (ie: the beggar vision), am I not beating the devil at his own game because I’m learning a virtuous msg? Must God not be pleased at that? If I have faith that God ultimately controls my circumstances in my life, even if I pray continually to be delivered from it…..that he is allowing it for a reason? God hasn’t given me anything I can’t handle yet. If satan is using tactics against me & I’m turning them around to glorify God & learn very important lessons to evolve TOWARDS him & not away, then maybe that is MY PATH (not yours) to Heaven. I simply don’t know & to be honest, God sometimes just has his own good plan that we can’t explain. I do read the bible, I am Christian, but I am not religious. I think alot of religious people, in my opinion, are phony. They “act” holy, but underneath have their own agendas. People can be mean, cruel & force their beliefs on you without even realizing it & turn the bible around to meet their needs. (ie: tithing). Churches say you must tithe, but no where in the bible is that a law or commandment. Just like the discrepancies & contradictions of scripture I listed above, you did not refute….because they ARE contradictions that cannot be denied. How do bible readers explain those away? Did God make mistakes writing the bible? No!…most likely scholars did! God did not sit down with a pen & write it. It was God inspired. So, what makes you think that other books left out of the bible were also not God inspired? Did God CHOOSE which books to put in & leave out?….no, MAN did! Man is not God! How did these books come to pass? Wasn’t the book of Revelation & it’s contents seen in a dream? A vision?…then by all accounts, according to you, that should be demonic! This is what I mean when I say people have to do some thinking of their own to find what God is speaking to them through many things, mostly the heart. I’ve kinda always lived by a rule thats never steered me wrong: “if it doesn’t make sense, it probably means it’s not true”

      • 12. modres  |  December 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

        I appreciate your candor and I also appreciate your willingness to agree to disagree.

        I do not have the time to refute your allegations and what point would it serve? You would dismiss them.

        You think man chose the books that went into our Bible. I believe God is fully sovereign and He guided things so that what He wanted in His Word would be there – it’s really that simple. You place way too much emphasis on what man supposedly did as if God was not/is not involved in the process.

        Read the book of Job. Satan is very limited and God is fully sovereign. Man does not override God’s intents and purposes.

        I’m really sorry that you believe that God had no real hand in writing the Bible (“God did not sit down with a pen & write it. It was God inspired.“). Yes, it WAS/IS inspired, which literally means “God-breathed.” Both John and Peter attest to the fact that prophets of old and the men who wrote Scripture wrote it as they were moved along by the Holy Spirit. Obviously, God USED human beings to actually put pen to paper but this does NOT mean that God was absent from the process or that He was unable to commit His exact thoughts in word through those human authors.

        The reason I don’t think the other books were intended to be in the Bible is due mainly to their extremely dubious origin and the fact that much of what they teach goes against what Jesus Himself taught.

        Regarding the book of Revelation, there is no indication that it was a dream or a vision. It seems clear enough from chapter four that John was LITERALLY taken TO heaven. This was not an out-of-body experience, but a BODILY experience. The same thing happened to Ezekiel, Enoch, and Elijah, as well as Paul the apostle.

        You say the Bible does not teach a tithe. Of COURSE it teaches a tithe which was given to the nation of Israel. The Christian is supposed to realize that ALL that he/she has is God’s and to give Him back only 10% is the LEAST we can do. Are we obligated to tithe as the Israelites were to tithe? No.

        You said, “I just don’t want to go around life thinking I have all the truth, because I don’t!” Right, but you immediately throw out anything I say to you solely because you don’t LIKE what I say. Are you teachable by others or only by Jesus?

        If you look through the New Testament alone, you’ll note that even the apostle Paul was accountable to others. You do not seem to be. You seem to be on your own path and the only Person you’re willing to listen to is Jesus. The problem is that you SEEM to not understand some of the most basic doctrines of Scripture and more than that, you fail to realize that as Paul said, Satan comes as an angel of light. If this is the case, how do you think you will recognize Satan for Satan if he comes to you as an angel of light?

        I also take issue with your statement, “Just like the discrepancies & contradictions of scripture I listed above, you did not refute….because they ARE contradictions that cannot be denied.”

        Well, I have actually NEVER found an honest-to-goodness contradiction or discrepancy in Scripture. What at first may appear to be one turns out not to be when one takes the time to study it.

        I’m really sorry you’re so angry, Pam. If you look back over my comments and try to understand them the way I meant them, you would (possibly) see value in them. You’ve chosen instead to react defensively and in anger.

        As I have stated, I meant no harm and I certainly did not wish to agitate you. Beyond all of this, I have not judged you. I have judged your situation based on what you are telling me. There is a huge difference. I am not at all interested in getting into any esoteric/biblical battle with you. At the same time, there is no way I could let your comments stand because I believe you are in error.

        At any rate, thanks for the discussion and for your willingness to agree to disagree.

        The Lord be with you. Take care.

  • 13. lmao  |  December 8, 2011 at 4:30 AM

    modres, when you die good luck acsending through the realms because you are most likely going to be trapped in your “heaven” until someone helps you out. But then again, ignorance is bliss right? The bible is to be interpreted it thousands of years old and holds many half truths in the way it is written and taught.

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    • 14. modres  |  December 8, 2011 at 6:47 AM

      Gosh “LMAO” (what a funny moniker, eh?), you’re so hilarious! Of course, the Bible only holds half-truths and Kronos and the multitude of “ascended masters” hold the REAL truth!

      Has it ever occurred to you that though these entities SAY they are far above us intellectually and scientifically that NOT ONCE have they ever told us how to cure the common cold, AIDS, cancer, or any other illness? Though they say they want to help us, they have never told us how to use our resources more wisely so that we can feed all people, or how to extend our lives.

      What they DO tell us is that the Bible has been “misinterpreted.” Some of these “ascended masters” say that Jesus never lived. Others tell us that He did live but holograms were inserted into His life at certain points. Well, which is it?

      The more “testimony” I read from these “ascended masters,” the more I believe they are nothing but demons in disguise. It is absolutely fascinating how the only thing they really condemn is the Bible and Jesus. Absolutely fascinating. They have nothing to say about Confucius, Buddha, or any of the other religious leaders. It’s only Jesus and the Bible we got wrong.

      It’s not a matter of luck. It has everything to do with faith; faith in the Person of Jesus Christ who lived a sinless life, died a painful death and took on the sins of humanity though He Himself was sinless. Oh, and He did this so that YOU might have eternal life. However, you willingly reject it in favor of some esoteric theology that makes no sense and is filled with contradictions.

      What is the most amazing thing that you don’t see is that the New Age lie is the same lie that Satan used in the Garden with Eve and Adam – “you shall be as gods.” Do you see the connection? No, I didn’t think so.

      You unfortunately believe you have the truth, but all you have is the word of some “ascended master” that you have never even asked him to prove his identity to you. You take that entity’s word for it, but reject the Bible. In your case, ignorance leads to eternal death.

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  • 15. Gissele  |  December 24, 2011 at 9:46 AM

    christianity doesn’t care about your spiritual wellfare so no religion has any power over astral projection because this is an ability that everyone has besides that i find this post offensiveon so many levels.

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    • 16. modres  |  December 24, 2011 at 11:02 AM

      It’s clear you have never read the New Testament. Had you done so you would have understood that Jesus DOES care about our spiritual welfare, which is why He incarnated as a human being (while remaining clearly God), lived a sinless life, died a sinner’s death (without having sinned at all), then rose again.

      It is astonishing how so many view Christianity as the “enemy” when it is actually the ONLY religious ideology that promises salvation. Nothing else does that; not Islam, not Buddhism, not any esoteric ideology – nothing.

      I’m sorry that you find my post offensive, but it doesn’t surprise me.

      Jesus cared/cares a great deal for you. He saw you as He hung upon the cross, dying an extremely painful death in order that the Law (which mankind has no ability to uphold) would be fulfilled in all areas. He loves you, yet you mock Him. He died for you, yet you reject Him. He wants you to be with Him when you die, yet you say you know better.

      Folks like yourself are infinitely more concerned about doing the things that make you FEEL good, or excite the senses. Christianity is a relationship with Jesus, the Founder of our faith. He suffered throughout His life because He knew that by it, He would be “perfected” in patience, love, and strength.

      The only thing your astral activities do for you is puff you up, giving you the false notion that you are somehow mightier than you are, or that you are your own god. Who needs anyone else then? Yet, you have no control over your life. You cannot determine when and in what manner you will die. You do not know if you will be in a car accident today, or if you will be hit by a car or something falling out of a building as you walk.

      You are not god. You are only being led to BELIEVE that you are god.

      “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” Proverbs 1:7

      “How long will you who are simple love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?” Proverbs 1:22

      “For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, “This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased” and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.” 2 Peter 1:16-18

      “Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 2 Peter 3:3

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      • 17. Confidential  |  December 24, 2011 at 10:15 PM

        I don’t think you can automatically assume this last commentator hasn’t read thofe new testament. I believe they were talking about Christianity as a religion, not Jesus himself. Why is it that you protest every comment made on your blog? If you don’t want this to be a forum of discussion on the subject at hand, then why post the topic. You are criticizing astral projection when you yourself haven’t ever seemed to experience, which btw IS a quite natural occurence that happens to everyone while they sleep, although the majority of people do not remember their experience upon waking. Some just happen to. Id love to see this commentary stay on the subject of the topic, which IS astral projection, not verses from the bible or one persons specific set of beliefs…..just saying.

      • 18. modres  |  December 25, 2011 at 6:18 AM

        Certainly it’s possible that the previous poster was referring to Christendom.

        I don’t protest “every” comment here and if you would take the time to read ALL the posts, you would know that.

        I have stated this before. This blog (containing ALL the articles I write) is here for one MAIN purpose: to process and exhibit MY opinion. It’s not here for discussion or debate. I’m sorry that you believe that a blog should be here for debate.

        The problem is that when folks like Gissele leave their comments, it seems to be clear that THEY are not interested in discussion either, but simply castigating.

        Gissele came here to my blog and made sweeping generalizations as if they were FACT; none of which she can prove. She did not come here to ask a question. She came here to essentially “hit and run.” That’s not grounds for discussion.

        For me, you have to understand that the Bible speaks to all things that govern my life. While I certainly do not live that perfectly, I do my best to lean on him.

        Astral projection is – as far as I can tell – completely off limits for the Christian. It’s really that simple. I don’t need to light myself on fire to know that it would not be beneficial for me to do so…

        By the way, if more people approached me and this blog as you have done, it would be a great deal easier for me to respond to them in kind. You obviously have a good approach to this entire “blog” thing. You did not come here with insults and denigration and for that, I appreciate you.

        Thank you.

  • 19. marie  |  January 8, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    appreciate your writing on astral projection,

    since i was very young have had this happen, then it stopped for a decade, it recently started again and brought back the same strange feeling plus a very big scare last night,

    never had anything sexual happen in astral plane,was able to fly through and past things, after that happened last night/early morning felt i was lucid/awake,

    then the head of my bed bed went down like something huge was on it by headboard, then starting w/ a low growl i heard the words “i want you” uttered at me (i guess) i screamed for my mom, no one the next morning said they had heard me,i was frozen w/ fear in bed till it was light out, also my mom is in a different country right now so it was odd, am very spiritual and believe in God, just not very hip on organized religion ,

    never had fear of anything “satanic”, this was pretty traumatizing. .
    and seems to fit the bill.

    since been researching after last night this is not at all a rare occurrence.

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    • 20. modres  |  January 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

      Interesting. From my own study, it’s not a rare experience. In fact, there are a number of books out there that deal with the subject.

      I’m glad you believe in God, but that will not provide you with the protection you need. Somehow, some way, demons have found their way into your life and have chosen astral projection as a means of enticing and entrapping you.

      What you need is a relationship with Jesus – not organized religion. A relationship with Him begins when we come to know and believe who He is as outlined in Romans 10:9-10:

      “if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that (C)God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.”

      You cannot confess what you do not believe so it starts there. If you find it difficult to believe that Jesus – as God – lived a sinless life, died a criminal’s death (yet without sinning) so that He could pay the price for our sin, and that after death, He was raised from the dead, then you are close to entering into a relationship with Him.

      It is not so much a “sinner’s prayer,” but an attitude that oversees our entire life. Pray to God that He will provide you with the belief to see the truth. Once you begin to see it, ask Him to help you embrace it. That is what provides eternal life because it is at that point the Holy Spirit comes to dwell within you and He is the One who offers His protection against the attacks of the enemy of our souls.

      If you would be interested, I would like to send you a couple of books free of charge. Just email your address to me at fred_deruvo@hotmail.com

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      • 21. marie  |  January 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM

        thank you, will send address.

    • 22. Confidential  |  January 8, 2012 at 7:38 PM

      I would like to offer you some personal advice….since this “scary incident” happened only once & most likely you remembered it bc you were in a half-waking, luciud state, this does NOT mean are being haunted by demons on a regular basis. Most likely you were frightened bc you couldn’t CONTROL the situation. When you sensed fear, IT fed off that. In a real “now time” bind….pray & ask for protection before you go to sleep. Keep a bible, opened, next to your bed. Try to remember that they are emotion based & although scary, if you bully them & show their motives to them in the same way, this normally confuses them & they flee. Use the name of Jesus also & request intercession of angels to protect you in a pinch if you get scared. It may be a temporary fix but ask & pray nightly. If they know they can get to you once, they may try again. Don’t open that door by showing any type of fear. If you are afraid, immediately begin to pray. Hope this helps.

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      • 23. marie  |  January 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM

        thank you for advice,
        found bible today and will do that,
        felt whatever that was it fed off of fear and confusion,

      • 24. modres  |  January 9, 2012 at 9:18 PM

        It not only feeds OFF of fear, but CREATES more of the same.

  • 25. Erica  |  January 25, 2012 at 6:31 AM

    Since December 22 last year I have experienced sensations as if someone was giving me oral sex, since Dec 24 it turned to sex and anal sex, since Jan 4 I’ve felt a weight on my body, an energy, like the body of a being, thrusting into me and moving back and forth above me. Spooky. Before I thought my body somehow made itself feel these sensations. At night, while awake during the thrusting motions, I’ve felt as if I’ve sunk into another “consciousness” for several seconds, heard a loud windy noise (painful for the ears) and different sounds (once someone singing, another time classical music, a lady yelling in Japanese, chanting voices, a girl screaming). Since Jan 12 sharp painful sticks (like a needle) on different spots on my body, followed by longer cuts. This has happened in the evening, at night, in the morning and on and off throughout the day.

    After the spooky incident I have sometimes given into the pleasure, I now realize that is foolish as I don’t know what it is. Ignoring it or crying/begging doesn’t help. Praying, sending love, and surrounding myself with white light haven’t helped so far. Yesterday night I saw bits of red electricity (2-4 cm wide) flying above me in the room, felt like it landed near and on my face, tickled. When waking up at night I felt intense pain in my arms, occasional sticks, and a thrusting motion. I focused on light and love while thinking “No”. The other night I felt two hands grab mine (didn’t sense any loving energy) and think I saw a glimpse of a face (wear glasses or contacts daytime so my vision isn’t that good at night).

    As I write this I feel pressure on my back, tickling and the thrusting motion on and off. What would you recommend?

    Can this be a human being doing an astral projection to my location? Or is it a spirit, demon, incubus…?

    I welcome any thoughts or advice from anyone.

    Thanks,
    Erica

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    • 26. modres  |  January 25, 2012 at 7:02 AM

      What you’re experiencing seems clear enough to be demonic in origin. What I would recommend is that you first ask the question “Am I a Christian?” If you are not a Christian, these events will continue. You need the protection of Jesus and the indwelling Holy Spirit.

      The only power that can save you from these incidents is the power that comes from Jesus Himself, who is Lord over all.

      In order to know whether or not you are a Christian, you must deal with the question of who you believe Jesus is. If you believe that as God the Son, He came and lived a perfect life free of sin, then offered Himself as a substitute for your sin, died, and rose again, then you are close to being “born again,” (John 3).

      Paul tells us in Romans 10:9-10 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”

      Somehow or another, you have opened the door to dimensions that we are not allowed to investigate. The door needs to be closed tightly and never opened again. I would call out to Jesus, confess that you have likely dabbled in something that is off-limits, ask Him to save you from yourself and from those entities which mean you harm.

      You need to understand that there are many things we do not know about spiritual realms and experience is not an adequate teacher. When God says to avoid certain things, He does it for a reason.

      Claim the precious blood of Jesus the next time something like this happens. Ask God to protect you in Jesus and if you will resist these beings (asking for His strength to do so), they will flee from you.

      Keep me posted please.

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  • 27. Erica  |  February 1, 2012 at 3:58 AM

    Thank you for your reply.

    I was born a Christian.

    The last days I have followed your advice and prayed to God (and also the Universe) in the name of Jesus. I have also said “I demand you to depart in the name of Jesus Christ.” (It worked for a person who send in a ghost story to http://paranormal.about.com/library/blstory_may04_16.htm.)

    Thanks to a friend I found prayers for protection at http://psalm121.ca/protect.html

    At http://psalm121.ca/answeredprayer.html it says “…persistent, consistent prayer is needed more times than not.”

    So far, prayer hasn’t given any results though. Maybe I am not praying persistently and consistently enough, (or with enough belief that it will work). Unless I can learn how to defend myself psychically (hadn’t heard about psychic self-defence until now), I may need the help of a psychic, priest, spiritual healer or someone else to solve this.

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    • 28. modres  |  February 1, 2012 at 8:43 AM

      I think the problem lies in your second sentence. No one is born a Christian. It is a conscious decision to BECOME a Christian. You probably mean you were born into a household where Christianity was practiced.

      Unless you are truly born again, your prayers will have no effect.

      Read John chapter 3, then read Romans 10.

      When a person becomes a Christian, the Holy Spirit takes up residence in their life. He is the One who offers protection from the enemy of our souls. You must be born again. You must recognize that you are a sinner and that nothing you can do will save you. You must also understand that Jesus lived a sinless life and died for you (and me). His death cancels out our sin IF we believe that He is who He says He is – God the Son. You must also believed that He rose again on the 3rd day.

      Please get back to me, all right?

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  • 29. Winston  |  March 15, 2012 at 6:23 AM

    Wow! This has been interesting to read as I have learned a few things between the exchanges of dialog. First, I must ask for the beleivers in Jesus Christ to pray for me. I need to strenghten my relationship with God, and after reading this article, I know see the importance of reading my Bible daily, Praying daily, and Growing closer to the Lord. There are too many temptations out there in the world that are catching people off gaurd and taking them straight to hell in which they are now burning in regret. I decide to search for some answers because I wanted to be free from sin. I found myself watching a lot of online phonography after it was introduced to me by a female friend and it has caused a world of trouble for me since. I have been trying to break this addiction, but I know I am powerless without the aid of Jesus Christ in my life. I am not here to debate anybody beleive, because I know for a fact that Judgement is rserved for God and God alone. I just want to make it to heaven and be free from sin to hear “Well Done” at the end of me my life. I have been living in sin too long and I know that I need the Grace and Mercy of God to do a Miracle for me one more time which is to set me free from sin and give me a stronger desire to worship and serve him. If you beleive in Christ and know that the will of God is for no soul to perish, then I ask in humilty as a brother struggling with his vices, to pray for me, and ask God to have mercy on my soul. I will stick to my commitment of prayer and work towards reading the Bible on a daily basis. I am tired off being used by the Devil. I belong to Christ and was brought with a price, but the Devil is trying to claim me as one of his own. I am not his and I don’t belong to him. I may have fallen short again a million and one times, but I still beleive in the purpose of Jesus Christ dieying for my sins on the hills of Calvary. Pray for me, and I will pray for you in advance that God will have mercy on your souls as well. Thank you! Oh, please ask God as well to break ever curse and demonic attachedments from over and off my life. Keep the faith, and keep striving.

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    • 30. modres  |  March 15, 2012 at 6:29 AM

      Thanks for writing and please know that I am praying for you.

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  • 31. Jay  |  March 25, 2012 at 1:37 AM

    Hi, I read over half of this blog and got so angry that I could not finish it. We must all realize this: God works in mysterious ways. He can change His mind on things and can use sinful people to speak a good message to a prophet. He can use anyone in anyway. I am a Christian…No…I am a CHILD OF GOD. The word christian means at its purist form “savior like.” I have experienced angels and demons, both in astral and in reality. I have experienced many spirits and none of it willed. I am saved and have been baptized and have received the Holy Ghost. If one feels he must teach the Word one must not be contradictory. Man kind has in fact twisted the Bible so much that its scary, they did this to suit it for their own likings. I bet you dont even know Gods name. Did you know God isnt a name but its a title, as well as Lord? In most places in the Bible where you see those titles at one time was the name of God, Yahweh. Do you realize this name was taken out of the Bible thousands of times??? True story, thats how much man kind has twisted the words. Sadly I dont know any “holy rollers” that even know this. Also take this into consideration…There is no J in the hebrew alphabet yet we praise the name of Jesus and pray to Jahova, which is another name for Yahweh. He can take any soul at any time and show them what he feels they need to see, even if it seems improper to most so called Christians. This world is so blind, it makes me sick. Humanity is suppose to be humbled yes, before the Lord of hosts, this is true but think about this, did God not give us his breathe of life? Does He not exist within us? Yet we are suppose to be so weak, crying and whining for God to change everything for us, sometimes God wants us to learn on our own, sometimes his footsteps go astray from us and in this time we undergo trials and tribulations. When one is haunted all his life by visions he cannot control and is told that his experiences are evil and he is wrong for having them, it makes me wonder…where is the compassion of God that is suppose to dwell within the hearts of the prophets, where is the compassion? Where is the understanding? You will disagree with this hardcore im sure but im sick of biting my tongue. My step dad thought I was a freak because I always left my body and experienced things not on my own free will, he thought I was a freak because he never had it happen to him. If you never astraled or had astral sex or any other experience, why then are you doing this blog. You have much understanding of the Word of God but you lack completely the knowledge to understand what we go through. I pray that you find understanding and compassion.

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    • 32. modres  |  March 25, 2012 at 6:43 AM

      You know for all your bluster, your anger is severely misplaced. I wish people like yourself had more of a desire to know the truth, but instead, you delight yourself in chasing after things that wind up merely itching your ears.

      You say mankind has messed up the Bible. It is clear that you have not done any real research. Moreover, without realizing it, you have denigrated and castigated God as if He was completely incapable of guarding His Word to ensure that it says what He wants it to say.

      People like yourself really have no clue and it is I who will pray for you. Instead of grasping after experiences that mean nothing, why not take the time to get to know Him through His Word.

      Your appreciation for and desire to live within New Age thought is going to be your undoing.

      I pray that YOU find understanding. My compassion is exercised in the very time it took to write about astral projection in the first place. There is no such example of this type of New Age interplay within His Word, yet you have fallen for it. You’ve given yourself every reason to believe what you believe and disregard the Bible as being the final Word of God to mankind.

      I will pray that your eyes will be englightened to the truth of Scripture and to the truth of who God is and how He works among us.

      I don’t NEED to have ever “astraled or had astral sex” anymore than I need to go out and rob a bank, yet I can still speak of the evil of it. You make little sense. Astral sex is forbidden. Why? Because ADULTERY and FORNICATION are forbidden.

      Take the time to read 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and see if that describes you and too many people like you…

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      • 33. Jay  |  March 25, 2012 at 12:04 PM

        Did I ever say I had astral sex…NO….I said that because statement because you are posting a blog about it but it is something you never experienced. I read my Bible, I go to church, I have many of the gifts of the spirit and you dont even know me yet you are jumping to the conclusion that im some heathen with no morality or something. Let me tell you this, you’re missing the point over and over so let me put it in big bold letters for you…WE DO NOT PARTAKE IN THESE HORRIFIC THINGS ON PURPOSE THEREFORE WE ARE NOT CHASING AFTER A FALSE DOCTRINE AND EVIDENTLY IT IS YOU WHO ISNT DOING YOU’RE RESEARCH!!! And yes sir, I have found within both mine and my fathers research who is a pastor have you know that man kind has indeed altered the Bible. Why do you think there are so many different versions of the Bible, that right there shows mans alteration of Gods Word.

      • 34. modres  |  March 25, 2012 at 1:13 PM

        Look Jay, you are doing the EXACT same thing to me that you are accusing me of doing to you. You don’t know me either yet you have judged me by ONE article I have written. I never said or implied that you were a heathen or immoral. You said I should not be commenting on astral projection or astral sex because I haven’t experienced them. This is such a lame argument from you, which is why I said what I said about robbing a bank.

        The reason there are different versions of the Bible is a simply enough question to answer.

        There are so many manuscripts (partial and full) of Scripture that the total far surpasses ANY document of antiquity. The proof is in the pudding because the older the manuscript, the more proof is seen of just exactly what the Bible states. So you have found one person who says the Bible was altered? Whoopee. There is SO much evidence that supports the veracity of the Bible, but you are likely not interested in that because you would be forced to change your world view, especially where the Bible is concerned.

        The many versions are due – in part – to the TYPE of translation that is being made available. Some versions are word-for-word translations, while others are thought-for-thought translations. Still others are paraphrases.

        Do your own research Jay and stop believing what fits you and what you like to hear. I simply do not have the time to educate you on matters that you are not interested in being educated on. You feel you need no education in fact. It would be a complete waste of my time to continue this discussion.

        I will say this…it does not matter whether you partake of anything on purpose on accidentally. You are accountable for your thoughts and your actions. Because you see value in astral projection (which is completely absent from Scripture), you have opened yourself up to the spiritual realm in a way that not only does NOT benefit you, but opens you up to a myriad of dangers. All I’m doing is trying to warn people. If you believe my warning is without merit, then you have your answer. There is little point in attempting to debate me over the issue.

        You have discounted the veracity of God’s Word because you believe that God is fully incapable of sustaining it, ergo He is powerless. What kind of God do you worship? Apparently not one who has much power to accomplish much. Yet, you can travel the universe via astral projection, for what purpose…to learn the mysteries? I have been studying the New Age for years and much of it is from the mouths of the people who have been and continue to be involved in it.

        2 Timothy 4:3 says it all, Jay: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires…” You are unfortunately there, my friend, because you have placed EXPERIENCE above TRUTH.

        We’re done here, Jay. I will pray that the Lord opens your eyes AND your father’s because you are living quite dangerously. Thanks for writing.

  • 35. Jay  |  March 25, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Wow…You are still missing the point….these people dont do it willingly…no, they suffer! Its easy to know one is in the lions den and easy to say “I know you’re in the lions den but dont get bitten!” You must understand we dont WANT or ENJOY being yanked from our bodies into other realms…wow, its like saying “Dont have nightmares.” Its not controllable unless one practices it, I do not nor do many of the others that have posted here…

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    • 36. modres  |  March 25, 2012 at 2:16 PM

      You have SOMEHOW opened yourself up to the spiritual realm and specifically that area which focuses you into being astrally projected. How did you do that? I have no idea. It sounds like you are not aware of it either. Maybe you played with a Ouija board or Tarot cards at some point in your life. Maybe it has to do with the fact that you do not view His Word as the final authority. If His Word is not the final authority, then YOU are the final authority, my friend. If that’s the case, then Satan has a field day…

      You could trust His Word. You could throw yourself on His authority. You could renounce whatever it is that has got you caught up in the entire world of astral projection, but you believe you are nothing but a victim. That may well be, Jay, but somehow, somewhere the door to that realm opened up and God wants it closed just as much as you do.

      There are examples of people being possessed with demons in the NT and even though we do not know HOW they came to be possessed, what IS clear is that Jesus healed them of their problem. Whatever door Satan or his minions can use to worm their way into someone’s life, they will do it.

      How did you get IN the lion’s den, Jay? Something put you there, knowingly or unknowingly. If you cannot remember, then ask God to show you so that you can shut that door tightly. You don’t think He will? You want to know so you can close that door. God wants that door closed as well.

      Here’s something you can try the next time you begin to have an out-of-body experience or feel as though you are getting ready to embark on an astrally-projected journey. Simply STAND YOUR GROUND and claim the blood of Jesus Christ! Rebuke the powers that are attempting to get you involved in astral projection.

      As a Christian, you have the power and authority to REBUKE the enemy in the Name of Jesus. The enemy MUST listen and obey – it is that simple. Remember the 70 disciples that Jesus sent out (Luke 10)? They came back amazed that even demons had to obey them in the Name of Jesus. These demons will try to get you to believe that you must continue to be the victim. Even though you FEEL like the victim, you are NOT the victim, but through Christ, you are the VICTOR.

      There have been examples of people who were on the verge of being abducted by aliens and when they REBUKED the aliens in the Name of Jesus, the abduction immediately STOPPED. It went no further. There were repeated attempts and they did the same thing with the same results. Eventually, the attempted abductions stopped altogether.

      When you are on the verge of experiencing another event of astral projection, as SOON as you realize what is happening, REBUKE the demons who are trying to make it happen. It is that simple, but you MUST understand and believe that the Name of Jesus is far above all other Names and that God actually has the ability to render those astral projections null and void.

      If you do not WILLINGLY practice astral projection, but it simply HAPPENS to you, then you CAN take control of it by invoking the Name of Jesus. You say you are a Christian – fine, that’s wonderful! Then you have the authority over every power and principality through Christ because greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

      I HAVE run up against demons, Jay. I KNOW for a fact that they HAVE to listen and obey a person who is IN Christ. We see examples of this throughout the New Testament.

      You are not your own. You have been bought with a price. Therefore you are under new ownership. Because He owns you and lives within you through the indwelling Holy Spirit, then He is the One who overcomes the darkness that is coming against you, Jay. But you need to invoke the Name of Christ and I would suggest doing it aloud.

      Even if an instance of astral-projection occurs while you are sleeping, you will undoubtedly come to a point during the event where you REALIZE what is happening. It is at that point that you should call out to Jesus for deliverance.

      Jay, EVERY Christian has weaknesses. Every Christian has problem areas and EVERY problem area needs to be placed at the feet of Jesus and overcome by the power of His blood. Some people have problems with pornography. Others with alcohol or drugs. Still others have a problem with terrible thoughts that seem to come in and out of the mind at will. Part of this is simply the manifestations of the sin nature, which we continue to have until the day of our ultimate redemption. Part of it is due to the doors that have been opened to the dark realm, even if we cannot remember what those doors were…

      Your problem with unwanted astral projections can only be solved through the power and the blood of Jesus. That’s the only solution I know of, Jay.

      If what I’m saying doesn’t seem to apply in your situation, then I would strongly urge you to contact Russ Dizdar who has a good deal of experience with things like this. Here is his website: http://shatterthedarkness.net/ and here is his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/people/Russ-Dizdar/100000294688999

      I don’t have direct contact information for him, but you should be able to get some relief through him and if you “friend” him on Facebook, you can send him a message.

      Now I have a better idea of how to pray for you so I will be doing that. Forgive me if I have misunderstood you and your situation…

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  • 37. j  |  April 4, 2012 at 5:19 AM

    such an intersting read and views of opinions, i think sum of the opinions are making a valuble point, i wouldnt like to be pulled into an argument though through opinions of my own, as that seems to have happened here on this blog, but i will say i belive heart and soul in jesus christ, but i do not follow religeon or read out of context bibles that have been rewritten so many times. God has been there all my life, i was aware of this from 7 yrs old, i believe that the heart and mind go on forever and when the heart and mind become one, then we will see, they must become in line with each other, yes we will go through many experiances while been tested, as we will undoubtly be tested time and time again, its all part of educating ourselves and being spiritually aware of the spiritual relm wheather people believe it or not it is real, some tests we wont like, some we will, but in the ends its up to each individual to have a personal experiance through life with jesus and yes i agree that sometimes we will also go through spiritual experiences also, mentioned on your blog. all i can think is that nothing is by accident, i also believe the true church of jesus is not in the mainstream churches you see today, i can go to church and not feel one bit of presence of God, and when they laid hands on me i could feel them putting pressure on my forehead so i rocked,and because i did not fall they put more pressure on my forehead then in the end i just felt obligated to fall to the ground, but i never felt anythin, but i have felt God many times during my life, and its certainly not been in church but in my very own company when i have spoken with him through the heart by prayer, sadley i dont do enough of this as i should, but all i know is that my life is where it is now because of my faith in him , yes i have astrally projected many times, 20years ago, then church told me it was wrong, so i stopped now after 20 years i am thinking maybe i should let this happen, as i must admitt i was only ever in places of light wen i travelled and yes astral sex is a very real danger you should avoid but i had more spiritual growth in astral projection and evry one i met had a wounderfull personality and heart, yes i also had scary experiances too but whenever i did project i was always aware that someone was with me while i travelled and made sure i was not in danger, almost like they were educating me and although i cannot recall the person, i always remember them as a body of pure light, always by my side teachin me of goodness. i will be goin back to this hopefully as i have not travelled for a very long time now, but how could it be wrong, when spiritually i was fed, isnt that what this is about, about knowing heart and mind the truth so we could be free, the body is the prison that stops us evovling through fears, and i feel religeon has become like a cancer of the mind for which there is no cure because it has become man made, i believe the true words of god was excluded on purpose from the bible, the people who rewrite the bible are hiding the real truth from people so they have power and so now people may have to be spiritually fed instead to the truth, yes i believe in jesus, and i believe if you ask him to show you the way personally from the heart he will show you, and so i will prey and ask to see weather i should be back on that path of spiritual awareness and knoweledge or not, and see what happens. but for people who astral project now, please stick to planes where it is light. there has to b a balance in everything, dark planes, light planes, good, evil, CHRIST and antichrist, either way we will not know if we are not tested, tests are to see how far we have evovled in our hearts and how were cumming along, only the heart and mind can go through in the end if any of us make it past the tests, the body dies and stays here, heart and mind is part of the soul, the soul is the truth. having said all this i do understand fully both points which is why i shall ask him for personal guidance on this on what i should do, because reading both points, on the coments i now do feel im at a crossroads, on which is right to do or not right to do.

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    • 38. modres  |  April 5, 2012 at 7:04 AM

      I’m not sure why you would want to start astrally projecting again. You say the church told you it was wrong years ago so you stopped. It didn’t just become “right,” so now it’s okay.

      When you say you “felt God many time,” I’d have to ask, how do you know it has been God? Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 11:14 that Satan transforms himself into an angel of light.

      If we judge things by how they make us feel, we will be sidetracked every time.

      Paul explains a situation that happened to him where he was taken up to the third heaven (2 Corinthians 12). He really did not know if it was an out-of-body experience, or a vision, but he saw and heard things that he was not allowed to relay to anyone. Paul spoke of only ONE such occurrence. You would think that if astral-projection was something that legitimate Christians could be involved in, it would have happened more than once.

      The way some Christians tell it today, they routinely are involved in astral projection and they apparently learn a great many things. The problem I have found with these issues is that they often learn things that are anti-Christian, or anti-Bible, but that doesn’t seem to bother them at all.

      Regarding Paul’s “boast” of having some out-of-body experience, it is part of the chapter in which he “boasts” of a lot of things, but in the end, none of those things amount to anything compared to SALVATION.

      If Christians spent more time reading His Word and getting to know Him through it, we would be far more consistent in our walk with Him as Christians. We would not be given to emotionalism and experiences.

      Satan is always trying to add something to the mix when the thing we need is to simply get to know our God and He has revealed Himself through His Word. Yes, compared to roaming the universe through astral-projection, reading and studying His Word is fairly mundane, yet this is how He has chosen to reveal Himself.

      Any experience that seems to take precedence over His Word is an experience that should be rejected.

      Here is a very good, thorough answer related to out-of-body experiences that goes into more detail from Ron Rhodes:
      http://www.gotquestions.org/out-of-body-experience.html

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  • 39. j  |  April 5, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    i believe to have a personal relationship with Jesus through my life, i have had many bad experiances and seen things that should not be in church and so i believe i need not listen to someone preach to me his word as i find that one day most churches may just be in for such a shock and people who thought they knew jesus or were thinking they are already saved as i dont think they really realise what they follow, as i have seen many a false people in them, he tells me in my heart and mind, my heart and mind may not be as one yet, but that is where i hear him, i do not trust any man even if they say they are of the holy cloth, as i already know, which is to trust no one, not any man, from 7 yrs old ive known him to be in my life all my life. i only ever visited people i never knew in this life but had known them in my heart, and they were wonderful.also i had an experiance 5 years ago, i was sitting in my room getting ready for bed, a women, a bride i will say walked into my room, and yes i was fully awake, she was wearing the most beautiful dress i’d ever seen, and i could not see her face as she was so full of light, my whole room lit up as though i switched on the light and the light beamed out from the ends of her hair and her skin was full of light that it was bursting light from her fingertips, she came close to me right up to my face level with mine, and for just a moment, the light flickered on her face, and when that light flickered, i saw her just for a moment, and she was beautiful, she also had 7 scars upon her cheeks, and as i gasped for breath she was gone. i have read the bible and i do know what it says, and i believe i saw the bride of christ, the afflictions upon her are the afflictions upon the true church of God, in revelations this book speaks of the seven churches, the bride of jesus is the true church, the true information of Gods word has been scattered or excluded i believe, my trust is only in Jesus, i feel very blessed to have seen such beauti standing in my room that she bent down to show herself to me. round about this time i had alot of other experiances, i was an insomniac and barely slept 1 hr per night and fasting at the time, i went from a size 14 to a size 6 by the time i stopped fasting , and was awake, but i would feel that electricity pulse through my body and have the same effects as though i were about to astral project, but i wasnt astral projecting as i were awake and i was most certainly still in my body, i hadnt left it, yet it happened, and so now i only trust in God and those feelings i felt wich were simular to when you feel an obe were spiritual feelings, God has never denied us spiritual growth as it helps us become closer to him, he wants that personal relationship with evryone, i love God with all my heart, and when i astral projected years ago it was always in search of a people of love,and trust where there is no falsness, i never came across any negative or entities that want my soul to sin because its not what i projected out when i obe. i dont like religeon i must admit as i feel they are most of them not following the true God even though they think they are, it has become so manmade and there rewritten bibles, they have smooth tongues and wise words and yes they can sound so holy, but there god they preach is a jealous god, there god can destroy a nation of peoples, there god will punish, well my GOD is of pure love, my God has never destroyed, my GOD does not turn his face away, my God has shown me through my life and brought me to where i am today, i dont know if it is right to go back to astral projection or wrong but it never felt wrong when i was doin it untill church peole told me it was, but i do no that i will wait and listen to what my heart and mind speaks to me and not what others say is wrong or not wrong, no offence but i find more about God when i search inside my self for Him,in my heart than when someone is dictating to me about him, and yes ill read the bible sometimes, sometimes ill just listen and fast for the answer but all i no is i dont find any of God in any of those churches i have been through my life. God is in the heart of evry man they just have to open it up and see, i think about God evry day as evry day he is always on my mind. i love reading revelations especially about the 7 churches and what He speaks to them in these scriptures, best we realise the truth befor He calls us up, rather than not no the truth when we could have an look silly when He calls us up, i dont want to be called up and be asked why you listen to men and there tongues and say because that person said or that one said, this will not surfice with God, i want to say because i got it wrong by myself or i got it right thankfully because God has shown me,our bodies are prisons in this world only the heart and mind can go through, our bodies stay here, yes we need these veichles for this life but one day we also wont need them. when i astral projected years ago i did not visit people i knew in this life or loved dead people, i visited people id known in my heart forever, for eternity, how could i have stopped goin there i sometimes think to my self i believe when we tune our bodies to vibration its not wrong but the choices you make while in this mode can be wrong when used for the self and not seeking for the truth, its what is in ones heart and intentions that make it wrong or not. anyway im not in any rush and havent started fasting for the answer yet. and on the above about churches im not popping at evry one as there are some genuine people in them, but if only they knew what was really preachin to them i think. its for them i pray that they see the truth

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    • 40. modres  |  April 5, 2012 at 6:59 PM

      When we look to EXPERIENCES for truth, we are in danger of missing it all. When I have dreams, I don’t come away from those dreams believing that Jesus has just spoken to me regardless of how religious the dream may have seemed.

      If people would spend more time seeking the truth found in His Word, we would likely rely far less on “dreams and visions” and certainly not astral projections.

      If you have already made up your mind about astral projection and the alleged truth you receive from them, then it’s pointless to have any discussion.

      If you believe you’re saved, then who am I to tell you anything else?

      If you are convinced that astral projection poses no dangers and it is from God, then there is nothing I can tell you that will dissuade you from thinking that way.

      We live – exist – within certain dimensions. There are four of them that we can experience – length, width, height and time. These are dimensions that we can experience, yet science tells us that there may be as many as eleven that we are unable to experience.

      There are reasons that God prohibits us from attempting to go into other dimensions. We are simply not permitted to do certain things, regardless of how important or real they may appear.

      I wish you the best and I will pray for you. That’s the best I can do as it seems as though you have already made up your mind about astral projection. You have convinced yourself that nothing is wrong with astral projection. I’m not going to debate the issue with you.

      I pray only that God will open your eyes to the truth.

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  • 41. j  |  April 6, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    i never said i thought i was saved, not once far from it, sorry you read it that way, i said about evry1 else thinking it, and your missing what i said, it was not a dream, i was not in a dream state, i sat on my bed to take of my shoes to get ready for bed when i saw the women in a brides dress enter my room,the fact that i was removing my shoes means its a sign of peace as this is what the feet mean and look into whatever im doing or what signs i see when i have experiances and i search for the truth or falseness in it, i never came accross the churches in revelations untill i had seen her and this was what brought revelations to my attention, what i saw was very very real. it is unfair to say or judge that what i saw was not of God, i feel truely blessed i caught a glimpse of what most haven’t, not because im worthy, or special because i am not, but i seeked only for God, and was willing to see his work and also when i saw this i was in the middle of a fast of wanting to know more of God, it is not enough that we just read, sometimes we are allowed to lift our heads from the text to see some of Gods work in action, he wants us to see as it is testimony to the truth. of what is written that what scripture says is truth, also scripture rewritten so many times do not hold the orignal text so we dont understand how it was meant to be understood, when i have experiances that i feel was from God i certainly was not astral projecting as this occured 5 yrs ago, i have not projected for 20 yrs. also 7 months ago i watch a pure blue flame appears in the corner of my ceiling and spread into a pure blue fire covering the whole of my ceiling for about 30 seconds and then disappear as quick as it reappered and no there is nothing wrong with my electrics, so you see i do have experiances and see, when i fast, read and deeply seek. its unfair to say what i have seen is false from you, as i know all i thought about was God at those times i was fasting for his knoweledge, without those experiances i would not understand the affliction of the true church, or that they were 7 churches spoken of in revelations to do with the bride of Jesus, (bride is the church), i would not have understood revelations on this topic had i not seen her, i asked for guidence and it was shown to me, hence the 7 scars upon her cheeks, which is the affliction of the 7 churches, in this fire 7 months ago i saw, my 18 yr old daughter had also witness yes it scared us at first till we really thought bout it. i would like to think that as i was fastin and searching for my Gods love that he had listened to me. i have also told many people in churches what i saw and they have never said to me it was not of God, by you saying that and assuming and taking out of contexts others experiance of seeking Gods truth has made you a contradicting dictator in which your view is the only right way, and thats having the God Complex i im afraid,and having the god complex is bad it seems that you may have become tunnelled vision.its not right that when people say what they experiance, you say its is falsness when they seek with all thier heart. i am not saying also that its right or wrong to astral project but like i said my experiances 20 yrs ago did not attract any negative bad energy or entities, i am always searching for more of Gods love, and maybe its bout time people stopped debating over Gods word and and do what we were supose to be doin which is love and charity, instead people or to busy dictating that there way is the right way instead of asking God which is there right path, which is what i will do when i fast,if i want to know more of God i ask Him, not a dictator who claims they know the truth, they more than likely dont and Jesus has said in scripture, dont trust no man. i know his word, i believe that word and if no falsness is found in my experiances then also yes i believe that to be the truth. what i saw was a spectacular moment and i only wish others could stop the brainwashing of what they say is right or wrong the dictating and debates over his word to see that pure love of God for themselves. shame really.i never said also as you said i said that there is nothing wrong with projecting, i didnt what i said was it did not feel wrong to me, and it depends on that persons heart and intentions that depicts weather it is wrong or not, just like these new bibles are taken out of the true context of what was orignally written, you have took out of context evrything i have said. wake up people because it the last call, also the last call for the bride meaning the 144000, which mainly consists of children. i am thankfull of my experiance or i would still not understand book of revelations 7 churches bride of Christ, the true church or about the 144000 or the 7 stars or 7 lampstands. my eyes are open, wide open. and believe me the true church is not of any of these mainstream churches or glorified houses. or smooth wise tongues that know scriptures. my latest dream by the way was about mainstream church and when someone asked me why i didnt visit church anymore i told them because the churches of today were not of God, they said they are in which they showed me a sign to prove it and sent an eagle, but when i really looked again, it was not an eagle but an owl, an owl by the way is very wise bird, but it also represents decietfullness, lies and is a bad omen. so you see yes i do get get shown the right way eventually to my path, and i may not be where i should be, but thank God im not where i used to be, when i was igranant and tunel visioned to the importance of really seeking for the Truth and knowledge of God, read all you want i say to people, that only gets us to know about God, and im sorry but i want more, I want to know Him, there is a difference . experiance is just as vital as the reading the reading is a guide for us the experiances are the tests the reading is so we hope we pass them tests whatever they may be.

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    • 42. modres  |  April 6, 2012 at 2:14 PM

      Okay, so you have your belief system. I could go through it and discount much of what you say, but for what purpose? I do not wish to debate you or argue with you.

      God’s Church is doing wonderfully well, thank you very much. If you believe that there is no truth in today’s churches, then that’s what you believe.

      I wish you did not ramble as much as you do as it would be far easier to comprehend what you are saying.

      I think you know what you believe so you are responsible for it. There is nothing I can say that will convince you of anything and because of that, I’m really not sure why you continue to talk AT me.

      I wish you would not take bits and pieces of Scripture out of context and create doctrine of them.

      But the bottom line is this: you and I do not agree, so why are we continuing this? It doesn’t make any sense. I said I would pray for you and you said you didn’t need my prayers or want them.

      You believe you are correct, so that point is duly noted. I believe you are in fully incorrect, but again, there is nothing I can say to you that will help you understand this.

      Take care.

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  • 43. j  |  April 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    we will all get called up one day, and when i get there i dont want God to ask me why i did this or did not do that, i don’t want my answer to be well he said or she said it were right or wrong, this is not going to surffice with God. i will be answering because i got it wrong all by my self and paying my price or either saying hopefully i made it because of my Lords love for me, Jesus Christ. so please stop attacking peoples experiance and saying between the lines its not of God, instead of attacking try to understand instead of been ignorant of the tests some people face, because not evryone astral projects at free will, they are victims been victimised for by others for there tests that has been put for them.thats how it is to some of them. you yourself must get tested. evryone does, He will test evry heart of man, yes evry single one. Scripture says this as you will no, so dont condemn those whom are struggling. i am glad now i came on this site, because a man who knows the truth and fully understands through others eyes also would not rip apart what people are tryiing to say or not recieve the help in any understanding they have come here for, but to only get condemned and judged about what they are saying. its not why they came, it seems maybe you should open your eyes and start fasting to see if its the right thing you should be doing, which is judging and assuming we all must be dreaming

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    • 44. modres  |  April 6, 2012 at 2:09 PM

      I say what I say based on the authority of Scripture. You say what you say based on the authority of your experiences.

      There is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus. He said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me,” (John 14:6).

      I’m not attacking people’s experiences…and even if I was, that should not bother you since you seem determined to continue on the course that you’ve chosen.

      All I’m doing is warning people as to what I see as something that is dangerous and problematic. If you reject what I say, then you reject it; it’s up to you.

      Thank you for writing, but I think we’re done here.

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  • 45. denisse  |  April 20, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    you are one special thing here lol u seriously are stubborn hun. what u have to understand here is that not everyone has control overwhat happens to them. i have been going trough this for over 3 yeas it just comes and goes as it pleases. some ppl just like me have no control over this which is somthing u cannot understand bcuz u have never been through it. u like to criticize ppl with out u ur self understanding exactly what astral projection is and u will never understand it until u experince it and trust this is something u will never wanna experince with out wanting it to happen. i am only 19 and had no idea of what it was happening until i research it and hope to find the reason why all this stuff happen. you need to be more open minded about stuff hun cuz insted of helping ppl you are just arguing and trying to make everyone believe what u think its right. you SHOULD look at the big picture here not only what u think its right it ur own little world.

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    • 46. modres  |  April 21, 2012 at 7:07 AM

      First of all, this is not Twitter or texting. Your lack of capitals and proper English make your comments difficult to read. Save the abbreviations for those other places.

      Second, I do not need to experience being burned alive to know that it is not a good thing.

      Third, I am not critical of PEOPLE. I am critical of those things which are used by powers and principalities in heavenly places to take our eyes off of God and lead us down a path toward apostasy.

      Whether or not people “like [you] have no control over” that is irrelevant. You’re building your life on EXPERIENCE, yet there are certain things that are prohibited by God and whether those things happen seemingly beyond someone’s control or not does not remove the culpability.

      Did part of your “research” include the Bible? Are you aware that necromancy and experiencing the things that you reference are not to be observed by the Christian?

      The average “Christian” today seeks after experience rather than a deeper understanding of God’s love and forgiveness. We are to take that understanding and use it to spread the gospel. What are you doing with your experience? How many people have you introduced to the Lord because of it? Do you actually know God better because of it, or are you simply enamored with the experience itself?

      You can easily turn the tide on this astral projection phenomenon and reject it, but because you are unaware of what God’s Word says, you don’t. You LIKE the idea and because you believe you are not in control, you are therefore not responsible. This is wrong.

      While the Bible does not explicitly come out and speak against “astral projection,” there are guidelines in Scripture that are clear. Here are three Scripture references which offer guidelines: Deuteronomy 18:10,11, Leviticus 19:31 and Isaiah 8:19,20.

      Beyond this, the larger problem is that people who tend to look to astral projection or even what is happening in some parts of the Charismatic movement now – leaving your body and being allegedly transported to heaven and back – place great emphasis on the experience itself.

      Because of this, people like yourself wind up placing their faith in these experiences instead of God and His Word.

      People like yourself absolutely amaze me. You place such faith in your experience and not once have you listed any Scripture that supports the experience itself. The reason? First, you don’t KNOW Scripture, and second, you PREFER the experience. You like it. This is no way to base your relationship with God, anymore than you would (hopefully) base a friendship or romance on experience. Experiences come and go and they are not meant to be the arbiter of truth in our lives. Only God’s Word does that.

      Instead of attacking me personally, I would prefer that you search the Scriptures. If you find that I am wrong, then I am wrong and you can go your merry way. If you find that I am right, then you have an obligation to cease, desist, and voluntarily REJECT what happens to you in the areas of astral projection. It’s truly as simple as that. If you are wrong in your beliefs, then the only Person who can help you out of it is God Himself. Obviously, if astral projection is wrong, God will guide you out of it and protect you from it in the future. He will give you the strength to overcome it.

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  • 47. Kristy  |  April 28, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    After reading the first argument on here, I thought of something.
    Modres, to me it would make no sense to say that the person that experienced all those heavenly things during astral projection was just Satan tricking her. If it was Satan, he’d probably want to trick her into not believing in God anymore, but these experiences she has been having make her believe in God even more, which therefore would be working against the goals of Satan. Just my opinion.

    Also, when Ana went to Hell during astral projection and actually saw the Devil Himself, it was probably got testing her faith. She asked God for help away from that place, meaning she didn’t like it there and wanted nothing to do with Satan and was not tempted, and she prayed to God so she could leave that place and go someplace better, also therefore meaning she proved she trusted God to save her.

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    • 48. modres  |  April 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM

      Hi Kristy,

      Thanks for your thoughts. The problem though is that your argument does not necessarily follow. Often – as is showcased in Scripture throughout – only one error is to not believe in God. Another equally bad error is to attribute to God things that do not belong to Him in the first place.

      In this day and age, people have become enamored with their experience, over insight into the Word. In too many cases, their experience actually TRUMPS God’s Word. This was one of the problems that Paul addressed in his letter to the Colossians. “Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God,” ( Colossians 2:18-19; emphasis added).

      This is becoming the norm today. People either choose to deliberately seek after visions and what they would term spiritual experiences, or they find themselves simply caught up in them through no fault of their own and refuse to reject them.

      We have books written by people who say they have spent time in hell and in heaven. We are expected to believe that they really went to these places. Yet, what is amazing is that they are completely unnecessary because the Bible already tells us that both heaven and hell exist. Why do we need people to come along and say “Yep, I went there, so I know it exists!”? Either we take God’s Word for it or we don’t. Having someone come alongside us trying to provide veracity for Scriptures through their experience is ridiculous.

      If we look at the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (cf. Luke 16:19-31), there are a number of morals to that story. One of the best is included for us in the text itself. It says this: “‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead‘.”

      The above interplay betweeen Abraham and the rich man shows us that the rich man wanted Lazarus to rise from the dead and warn his (the rich man) family about hell. The answer is clear. Abraham said that they had Moses and the prophets and they had every chance to see the truth. These people would not even be convinced if someone rose from the dead and told them what was on the other side of this life.

      The obvious reference is to the future death and resurrection of Jesus. How many people do not believe that He rose from the dead? How many people today do not even believe that the historical figure of Jesus actually lived, but was merely a composite creation of people to create a new religion called “Christianity”?

      The Bible is clear. It is truth. We do not need experiences beyond His Word to verify the Bible. We take it on faith or we don’t.

      There is a burgeoning group of people who PREFER their experience over against the truth of the Bible. They believe that God speaks to them routinely through these “visions” and experiences. Paul tells us in Colossians that these visions are the result of their own inflated egos, born of their flesh. Satan works wonders with our flesh and sin nature.

      Paul also tells us that Satan often comes as an angel of light for one purpose: to deceive (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:14). He WANTS to deceive and will use whatever means necessary to do so. It’s not that we believe in God or disbelieve in Him. It’s how we view Jesus and His redemptive purposes that makes the difference.

      Let’s face it, Satan and his angels KNOW that God exists. They believe the Bible and likely know it better than any human being. They still do not, nor will have salvation even though they know the truth.

      Astral projection is simply another form of leaving this dimension for other dimensions. This we are forbidden to do as long as we remain alive. I’ve already provided Scripture to others that prove that.

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  • 49. Artefix  |  May 6, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Although I have tried to do it on a few occasions when I was still in high school, I have never been able to astral project. A part of me still wants to experiment with it, but I shove it aside. The main problem I have with the whole new age movement is the concept of there being different truths. How is this possible? How can you protect yourself my imagining a white light around yourself. To me it is like closing your eyes and imagining that the sun is pink and then believing that the sun has turned pink just because you imagined it. If you astral project, how can you really trust what you see when the whole system seems to have such a fluid point of view on reality. None of it makes sense to me, to be quite honest.

    Another thing that bothers me about these “Ascended Masters” is the fact that they all seem to say different things. It’s all just a confusing mess if you ask me.

    I know for a fact that spirits exist and have seen a few. I also know that they can disguise themselves as I have experienced seeing a spirit and then seeing what it really looked like (the two where very different). It all seems a bit dangerous.

    You must experiment with the spiritual, but experiment with the Word of God. Some christians are quick to experiment with new age doctrines, but have never done it with the bible scriptures. Instead of looking for apparent conflicts, maybe you should rather try and understand why the different scriptures in the different places appear to be contradictory. And yes, scriptures do get misquoted a lot, but this is also why you must study. A good example of a scripture that get’s misquoted is “submit your plan to the Lord and he will bless it.” Later I learned that the full scripture is actually to the point of “submit your plan to the Lord and he will align your thoughts with his thoughts and your motives with his motives and then you will surely succeed”

    Things get twisted a lot and there is a lot of confusion, but God is still God and there is still just one ultimate truth. Sometimes you just have to look a bit to find it.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that the bible does say that we are gods, but quite frankly it doesn’t seem to do much good does it. I believe there is another scripture that says that we must cast down our crowns before him and that is exactly what we must do.

    “Wisdom comes through prayer”

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  • 50. nuttysweet  |  May 25, 2012 at 2:29 AM

    I just wanted to leave a special message for Pam and the moderator. Have you ever wondered that both of you can be right? First of all, there are selected few on earth who have special abilities to discern the spiritual realm. These are called psychics. Everyone of us has psychic abilities, some more than others. I can tell Pam is truly psychically gifted. Now, if you’re a psychic does that mean you’re saved? No. Many psychics can wind up doing evil as much as good, dabbling in black magic or whatnot. What’s most important is the question that all humans should ask themselves.

    How does God save men?

    That’s the ticket here. Because the salvation program God applies is the same with every human being, whether your psychically in tuned or not. So how does God save men, Pam?

    It’s not by sending you into an astral plane through astral projection or receiving a vision through a dream, no matter how great that might. It’s not by you looking at a sign or some miracle and suddenly your eyes are lifted and you finally see. NO.

    God saves you by applying the word of God to your heart and transforming you into a creature of the light, turning you into a child of God, the elect, the saved, the bride of Christ.

    “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.”

    Now, who are those who are saved? Unfortunately, that’s God’s decision. He is the ultimate being who decides who lives and who dies.

    “Jacob I loved and Essau I hated.”

    In other words, there really is no free-will. You can pray all you want and accept Christ as your savior, but if you’re not written in the book of life–if you haven’t been drawn to the word–you are nothing but dead bones in a tomb and will remain that way.

    “For many will be called, but only a few chosen.” — Matthew

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