President Obama’s Passport Lists Hawaii as His Birthplace

August 21, 2010 at 7:34 PM 25 comments

Obama is going to a lot of trouble to NOT show is actual birth certificate...

Technically, when applying for a passport, you are supposed to show a real birth certificate WITH the raised seal.  This proves that you have a right to have a U.S. passport to begin with because you have proven you are a naturally-born citizen of the United States.

Apparently, the White House has a released a photo of Obama’s passport, with the passport issuance and expiration dates cut out by the White House.  No reason was provided as to why the info was blurred, but it does indicate that Obama was born in Hawaii.

The funny thing about this is that so far, Obama has shown the world a birth certificate that shows his birth name was Barack H. Obama.  I thought his birth name was Barry Soetero?  The certificate number was blacked out and there was no sign of any state seal on the certificate at all.  If that’s what Obama used to obtain a passport, it should not have been accepted.

Now we see a photo of a passport, which if based on the certificate from Hawaii that has been highlighted would make the passport undocumented.  But seriously, it seems that Obama and his team have done what they can to avoid showing an actual birth certificate, which makes you wonder WHY?  It’s really simple.  If he has an actual birth certificate with a state seal on it, then show it.

Instead, we have a birth certificate that could easily have been faked, and a passport based on the potentially fake certificate.  Once again, Obama is the one that has created more controversy by supplying something that could have (but should not have) been  based on the birth certificate that he showed the world.

On a related note, an attorney who has been suing the United States to see Obama’s real birth certificate, was originally fined $20,000 and the fine was upheld by the Supreme Court.  Isn’t that funny?  The Supreme Court – whether they realize it or not – have effectively ruled indirectly that Obama IS a natural-born citizen of the United States and has every right to be president.  Amazing.

It just seems that Obama could have easily put all this to rest way back when the controversy first began.  I think what may actually happen is after Obama is no longer president, it may actually become public knowledge that he is not eligible to be president, but by then, imagine what the public response will be.

Obama has created controversy from years ago, whether he was hobnobbing with people from CARE or ACORN, voting for every possible pro-abortion bill around, sitting under a pastor who spews anti-American rants, or spent years involved in Islam, so the current and continued controversy surrounding the question of his birth is just another in a long history of controversy.  It will not end any time soon, of that we can be sure.

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  • 1. Jennifer  |  April 1, 2011 at 1:23 PM

    Just checked back for fun. I really can’t stand people like you, modres. I could easily refute everything you wrote, but why bother? You are so right wing. Against progressivism? I’m sure you loved the 1950’s in this country if you were around then and I’m sure people like you would love to go back. This blog is amazing – Christianity in the end of times?! Hilarious. Bible thumpers are so sure that Jesus is going to save them while they continue to support the very rich in their rape and pillage of the people – as long as they’re free to have guns and other crap you people like. Guess what, there is a ton of evidence to suggest your Jesus never even lived.

    • 2. modres  |  April 1, 2011 at 2:34 PM

      Jennifer,

      Who cares? Why are you wasting the time to respond to anything. For fun? I doubt it.

      ANYTHING can be refuted. That does mean you’re right. You obviously could care less about facts. You only care about YOUR OPINION, so while you’re busy denigrating me, you do the same thing, except at the other end of the scale.

      Jesus never lived? Oh good one. I know plenty of diehard atheists who would laugh you to scorn.

      I don’t thump my Bible, nor do I support the rich. The Republicans and Democrats are not all that different in my view. It is hilarious that super rich democrats condemn repubs, but BOTH groups of politicians are merely playing a game.

      The 1950s? I was BORN in the fifties.

      Christianity in the End Times is hilarious to you? That’s okay. They laughed Noah to scorn too. But the reality is this: death is the great silencer. It instantly proves what is right and what is wrong. People like yourself – unfortunately – think that they will wait to find out, but it’s too late by then. You don’t care enough about yourself to find the answers NOW?

      Regarding guns – the gun laws that exist ONLY affect law-abiding citizens like myself. Ask ANY gangbanger where they got their gun. They don’t buy them from an FFL dealer. They BUY them on the black market when guns are smuggled into this country. You and your bleeding heart liberals have NO clue how many thousands of guns wind up on the streets from OTHER countries through the black market.

      Your precious Mr. Obama (or any other president) can completely BAN guns from society and guns would STILL be here. Law-abiding citizens do not commit crimes. While Mayor Bloomberg is busy brainwashing Americans into thinking that 34 people die everyday from guns, he is also busy not telling everyone that over 2500 people SAVE themselves or someone else from gun violence. He also does not tell you that his 34 number includes people who “murder” people AFTER they have broken into their homes to do violence or steal.

      The government wants my gun? Great. Just as soon as they get ALL the guns away from criminals FIRST and can guarantee me that no criminal will EVER get another gun again, I’ll be the first one in line to turn mine in. Go ahead and laugh, Jennifer.

      The Iraq war has allowed our soldiers to uncover towns that produce guns, all day long. That’s all they do. One such region produced over 6,000 guns per MONTH, most exported via the Black Market to the USA. Of course, our military put that region out of business. Oh, but wait, the US should not even BE over there. We shouldn’t be in Libya either for “humanitarian” reasons, but we are and without Congressional approval.

      Enjoy yourself. Your attempt at superiority shows itself for what it is – demagoguery.

      Grow up, Jennifer. Get a life and try to study some actual history, not the revisionist history that the liberal media wants you to think is actual history.

      Take care and don’t write again please.

      Fred

  • 3. Jennifer  |  March 28, 2011 at 3:04 PM

    This entire discussion is irrelevant. A person is a natural born citizen of the U.S. if ONE parent is a citizen. It doesn’t matter where you were born. McCain was born in Panama, so why don’t any of you question his citizenship? Gee, probably because he is white. I think the whole lot of you trying to get Obama out of office are racists. Heaven forbid we should have a black Democrat president, right? Don’t think people don’t see through your arguments.

    • 4. modres  |  March 28, 2011 at 5:28 PM

      No, it’s not irrelevant at all. In order to BE the president of the United States, the requirements are more rigorous, plain and simple.

      McCain was born in Panama BUT he was born on a U.S. military installation (which means he was born on U.S. soil, therefore he IS a natural-born citizen of the U.S.). Had that been true of Obama, he WOULD be a natural-born citizen.

      I think you lack creativity, Jennifer, because the only thing you can do is call people racists as if that’s suppose to shut people up. The reality is that there are many problems with Mr. Obama’s presidency and that has been clearly shown by many (even if we discount the birth issue). Of course, folks like yourself are not interested in hearing those things, so you sweep them aside by playing the race card.

      Frankly, I would love nothing more than if Allen West ran for the office of president. I’d vote for him in a heartbeat. He’s black, but oh but wait, he’s a republican…dang.

      I’m not opposed to Obama because he is black. I am opposed to him for the following reasons:
      – he is a progressive (read, Socialist)
      – he is a democrat
      – he is extremely incompetent and makes Jimmy Carter look like a genius
      – he is spending this country into financial DOOM
      – he said he would NOT RAISE TAXES, yet his Obamacare is going to cost TRILLIONS in NEW taxes
      – he cares nothing about our borders or this country, calling illegal aliens “guest immigrants”
      – he is trying to be friendly to every radical Islamic group out there
      – he never served in the military and is the Commander-in-Chief
      – he has circumvented the U.S. Constitution on several occasions
      – he has no real leadership skills, nor does he have any qualifications to be the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES.

      Do you have ANY idea how many other black politicians there are who are FAR more qualified than Obama? They aren’t necessarily progressives (Socialists) though, so they wouldn’t have worked as well.

      I really think you folks should come up with something new rather than mirror the claims of Jesse Jackson, Minister Farakhan, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, and a plethora of other individuals who harbor true racists attitudes. It belittles you to watch you reach for the easiest thing to blame, even when it’s not true.

      Oh, by the way…are you aware that the very FIRST person to bring up the birth certificate issue was none other than Hillary Clinton? That’s a fact. Guess she must be a closet racist then…

  • 5. Cathy  |  March 27, 2011 at 1:33 PM

    I went to the factcheck.org website and examined NINE high resolution photos of thebirth certificate document. The factcheck.org article also states the reporters went to view the document in person to take the photos. The mother was actively attending a university in Honolulu at the time of the birth and so was the father.

    For the sake of argument, let’s just say, though that the mother took off and flew to Kenya to have her baby and then returned for final exams. The meaning of a natural born means that they are born from at least one parent who was a citizen of the United States, and here is the summary of the federal statute:

    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock
    A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. ( For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship. (aka natural born)

    In either case, citizenship is clearly not an issue as it is only a requirement to be born from one parent who is a citizen no matter where the birth takes place, as long as the citizen parent has spend a defined amount of time in the United States. The only means that the president would not be a citizen is if he came from two parents, NEITHER of who were citizens of the United States.

    • 6. modres  |  March 27, 2011 at 4:56 PM

      Hi Cathy,

      Thanks for your comments. Actually, your information is incorrect. Yes, those are the requirements to be a citizen of the United States, however, to become the PRESIDENT of the United States, there are actually MORE rigorous citizenship requirements. In order to become the president of the United States, the individual MUST be natural-born citizen of the United States. The term “natural born citizen” was specifically adopted by our founding fathers from Britain’s Parliamentary procedures, so we know exactly what that term means. It means that to be natural born (for the purposes of becoming president), the individual must meet one of two requirements:
      • a person is qualified if born WITHIN the United States or WITHIN American territory, even if BOTH parents were aliens, or
      • an individual is qualified even if born OUTSIDE the country IF the individual’s FATHER was an American citizen not engaged in traitorous or felonious activities

      The above information is taken from Robert G. Natelson’s book The Original Constitution: What It Said and What It Meant.

      So your information is off base and ONLY applies to the average individual seeking to become a citizen of this country, but not to a person seeking the presidency. My suggestion would be to do some more digging on your own to understand the leeway that is available for the average person to become a U.S. citizen as opposed to a person who wishes to become the president of this country. You’re clearly wrong. The federal statutes you quoted ONLY apply to those individuals wishing to become citizens of the United States, but NOT those wishing to be president.

      In Mr. Obama’s case, the ONLY way that he would have been a natural-born citizen of the U.S. is to have actually been born here in the United States (because his father was not). Since he has not shown the actual birth certificate and apparently, no one can find it, then it does not even matter that his mother WAS born here, because under the requirements stipulated above, his FATHER was obviously NOT born here in the U.S. That only leaves one option for Mr. Obama – that he himself needed to have been born here.

      I do NOT doubt that Mr. Obama is a citizen of the United States. I doubt that he is a NATURAL-BORN citizen, which makes all the difference in the world.

      Doesn’t it bother you at all that here is a man who promised (among other things) that his administration would be the most transparent administration, yet he has spent nearly one million dollars to HIDE facts about himself? That alone is a red flag. Doesn’t it also bother you that Supreme Court Justice Kagen (who was just nominated by Obama) worked in the offices that handled the submissions by attorneys seeking to have Mr. Obama’s private records UNSEALED? Now that she is on the Supreme Court, what do you think she will do if/when that suit ever reaches that point? So far, it has been rejected twice with absolutely no comment by the Supreme Court.

      Mr. Obama has lied to the American people and I would not at all be surprised if AFTER he is done being president that we learn that he is NOT a natural-born citizen of this country. Can you imagine what would happen if the American people learned that our president is not qualified to be there?

      By the way, I would not put so much faith in factcheck.org, because like Snopes, they have been known to be wrong before.

  • 7. Granite  |  August 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM

    Re: “If there is a problem with Obama’s legitimate social security numbers AND/OR his selective service card, not only is it illegal, but points to a deeper problem …’

    Sure, IF. If the forged birth certificate from Kenya were not forged… If the forged video that said “I was born in Kenya” were not forged… If, the grandmother tape that was edited to remove her saying that he was born in Hawaii had really shown her saying that he was born in Kenya…

    My point is that these are obvious cases of birther lies, and the social security and draft card issues may well be just the same. Until some reputable authority, such as a district attorney, or a congressional committee launches an investigation, these assertions are totally unproven. And, they are highly suspect because they come from a group some of whose members have lied and forged documents in the past.

    • 8. modres  |  August 24, 2010 at 10:04 PM

      As I have mentioned numerous times throughout our discussion, the potential problem with the birth certificate, selective service card, and social security numbers are merely a small part of the entire problem surrounding Obama. I have taken the time to list many of them and in fact, in a recent blog titled “Is the White House using ‘Unlawful’ Propaganda?” (part of which we included in a recent response to you), we highlighted potential illegalities brought to the fore by House Oversight and Government Reform Republicans regarding use of taxpayer funds to service his own campaign to the White House in 2012.

      Of course it is easy to condemn such a report before even reading it (just as the Obama Administration and the Justice Department did when they decided to sue Arizona before they even read the law), because the leader of the committee is a Republican. The fact is that the report should be considered if for no other reason than it brings potentially damaging information to the fore.

      Here is a case where an actual Congressional committee is bringing the charges, and I have a sneaking suspicion that you will still find some way to denigrate it or simply cast it aside as worthless and false even before you read the report…or maybe you have read it.

      My point is that these are obvious cases of birther lies, and the social security and draft card issues may well be just the same.”

      They are only obvious to people who are blind to the truth that these claims may be leading to. It’s one thing for you to simply cast these things aside as you persist in doing, but it’s quite another thing for you to prove that they are false. So far, you have given me nothing that makes me even think that these claims may be wrong.

      And, they are highly suspect because they come from a group some of whose members have lied and forged documents in the past.”

      Really. I see, so these people are now forgers and have used their “talent” against Obama? Granite, I’m sorry dude (or dudess), but you are making me think that you actually work for, or are in some way connected with the Obama Administration. You sound like one of his talking heads that every president sends out to deny allegations, or to clarify what the president really said/meant. It becomes comical after awhile. It’s interesting that that Republican report I just referenced charges that the “Justice Department hired a ‘New Media Specialist’ to surf th e web and anonymously post attacks on authors of unfavorable subjects.”

      What I am saying is that you “protesteth too much,” and for someone who claims that he does not care if Obama wins or loses the next election (but just wants him to make it there), your arguments give you away because they say otherwise.

      I think we’re done, but thanks for playing.

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  • 10. Granite  |  August 24, 2010 at 10:14 AM

    Yes, but if Obama were impeached, Biden would become president.

    • 11. modres  |  August 24, 2010 at 10:49 AM

      Right. Did you not read that I said I know that?

      Don’t misunderstand please. I do not think this country can afford to try to impeach another president. It is too costly and for what?

      While the “claims” against President Obama are in many ways, just claims, this is the way it starts. We have claims being made against Rangel and Waters, both of whom vehemently deny the claims (or charges). It is incumbent upon those bringing the claims to prove their case. Whether they are successful or not remains to be seen. Even if the claims are not proven beyond doubt, it does not necessarily eradicate any doubt within the mind of the average American. Why? Because unlike you, most Americans do not trust BIG government.

      We are aware that a good percentage of the people in Washington are living on the highest form of “welfare,” if you will. They have huge expense accounts, they have huge salaries, they receive all the perks. Regarding the Obama heath care package, those in Congress will be able to retain their own doctors. Muslims will get the health care free of charge (at taxpayer’s expense) because it is against Sharia Law to purchase health insurance. While Muslims will get it free, no one else will.

      The American people actually want SMALLER government, not bigger government. Now that our government has somewhat successfully taken over the health care, ripping it from the private businesses, our government is one step closer to Socialism. Now, I’m reading about the fact that what Obama has done with health care, he is attempting to do with IRAs. This government administration has lost no time at all trying to in essence, repeal the democratic aspects of this country, replacing it with a Socialist and ultimately, dare I say, Communistic regime. Sounds far fetched I know, but it really is not.

      Then I read that the White House may be guilty of using unlawful propaganda to finance public relations for a 2012 run for president by Obama. In other words, Team Obama MAY (emphasize, “may”) be guilty of using taxpayer funds to run a four-year campaign for the presidency in 2012. This allegedly began last year.

      This is being brought to the attention of Congress through a report by House Oversight and Government Reform Republicans. I realize because they are Republicans, it will be poo-poo’d as politics; however, if there IS truth to what they claim, then this is merely another strike against this administration. Allegedly, Obama is using two basic types of propaganda activities to promote his agenda:
      • misusing the resources of federal agencies to publicize the president’s agenda, and
      • multiplying traffic to websites containing propaganda by capitalizing on the visibility of the president

      This is a 37-page report which also details multiple administration public regulations programs initiated since January 20, 2009, that violate various prohibitions on federally financed propaganda, including:
      – Justice Department hired a ‘new media specialist’ to surf the web and anonymously post attacks on authors of unfavorable reports
      – An Education Department deputy assistant secretary disseminated an e-mail outlining Obama’s government takeover of student loans and directly recipients to ‘communicate the merits of the President’s proposal with your members and other audiences.’
      – Extensive coordination with the National Endowment of the Arts to create propaganda items to support Obama initiatives
      – Health and Human Services Department (HHS) hired a healthcare economist (paid over $300,000) to advocate Obama programs in direct violation of appropriations restrictions and without media disclosures.

      I could on and I will in another post. My point is that Obama is not playing by the rules and everyone and anyone who attempts to dig to find the truth is attacked in some form or another. This type of government should not exist, if in fact, it does exist. I would hope you would agree that if what is being stated about Obama is true, then he is violating numerous federal laws. The fact that this comes from a conservative news outlet will be downplayed of course, but it should be given full attention, if for no other reason than because it is coming from members in Congress and I would think the liberal media would want to use any excuse possible to make Republicans look like morons.

  • 12. Granite  |  August 24, 2010 at 6:56 AM

    Re: “ompletely ignored my comments about the selective service card and the social security numbers. That’s fine.”

    I have ignored them because I do not know anything about them. They are not issues that I have looked into. I can tell you, however, that they are only claims. No one has called for an investigation, and no one has confirmed the claims.

    Use of multiple social security numbers would be illegal, but not a cause of being ineligible for president. Same for the Selective Service. If these were true, they would be crimes and Obama could be impeached. If he were impeached, Biden would become president.

    • 13. modres  |  August 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM

      You should check into them then. How would you know whether they are claims or not if you “do not know anything about them”?

      If there is a problem with Obama’s legitimate social security numbers AND/OR his selective service card, not only is it illegal, but points to a deeper problem – the problem of a person who is covering over aspects of his life. If this is the case, then surely he has reason to hide other aspects of his life as well.

      Yes, I’m aware that if Obama were impeached, Biden would become president. Biden thinks he’s a master at talking out of both sides of his mouth, but he is very transparent. The sad part is that he – like many in Washington – believe the American people are morons and we do not see through his thin veneer. I believe Biden would sell his mother down the river if it benefitted him (that’s figurative speech). The fact that Obama chose someone like Biden is simply another indication of how Obama thinks.

  • 14. Granite  |  August 23, 2010 at 6:23 PM

    Re Watergate.

    As you say, Nixon was caught. Other presidents were not caught in anything because they didn’t do anything. The same applies to Obama. He will not be caught because he didn’t do anything. He certainly did not forge his birth certificate. If he had, Hawaii which is under a Republican governor would have acted. Instead, it checked its files, saw that Obama was born in Hawaii, and issued statements twice that the files verified the published birth certificate.

    I thank you for your comment that Obama is the president and that there is nothing to do about it. You are the kind of opponent that I desire. Frankly, I do not care whether Obama wins or loses the next election. I only care that he makes it to the next election, if you know what I mean. The allegation that Obama was not born in the USA is being used to whip up the violent fanatics. Sure, there were always violent fanatics, but this is being done in order to encourage them.

    • 15. modres  |  August 23, 2010 at 6:48 PM

      I do not believe that presidents previous to Nixon were innocent of any wrongdoing. I think they were simply not caught, so we disagree. We have the Pearl Harbor debacle that still remains with questions as only one example.

      Again, we’ll have to continue to disagree over the birth certificate as well. I also notice you have completely ignored my comments about the selective service card and the social security numbers. That’s fine.

      Not to offend, but you remind me of either a “professional” (though non-paid) debater, or a shill for Obama. I’m also not your opponent. We are simply sharing our viewpoints.

      I was very concerned about Obama’s safety when he was still running his election campaign and I was extremely grateful that he had as much security as he did (and continues to have). No matter how badly someone disagrees with someone else’s ideas or philosophies, physical retribution is NEVER the answer. NEVER. I prayed for his (and his family’s) safety then, and I have continued to pray for it since his election.

      I do care regarding the next election. I hope he loses, frankly. I do not believe this country will be able to continue to exist under his policies for another four years.

      I think what will whip up anyone more than anything is his continued and obvious support for Islam and Muslims in general, over and above Christians – those right-wingers who actually founded this country. Couple that with the fact that he is the first president to sue one of the states in the United States (and the decision was made even before the folks in Washington had actually read the new AZ law). Beyond this, his choice of associates has placed him in a bad light. That, and the fact that he is sending MILLIONS of dollars of taxpayer money overseas instead of investing in America, and piling on a health care program that will need trillions of additional dollars to work – all of these things together make the birth certificate issue look like a non-issue.

      Look at all the people protesting the mosque and all Pelosi can do is question who is financing it. Then she follows that up with the comment that the people in NYC are the ones who should make that decision. They have been trying to get their viewpoint across, but Bloomberg is not listening, Rauf (and now Kahn) is not listening, and Obama is not listening.

      Obama comes out seemingly in support of the mosque, then backpedals to say he did not mean that he was supporting the mosque there. He should have stayed out of the issue like he said he was going to. He has also thrown Israel under the bus, treating P.M. Netanyahu like he was a child. President Obama’s churlish behavior was unbecoming of a president of any nation, much less the United States.

      He is also circumventing the legal process where guns are concerned and has told Korea to stop sending a specific gun to the United States. His reasons? The gun is “aged” and it may get into the wrong hands. A 1967 Corvette is aged too, it does not mean it will not work anymore. The second reason is the one all anti-gun people use. The problem of course is that criminals never pay attention to any laws at all and they are able to get whatever they want without a waiting period. In effect, he has outlawed something on his own.

      The rumor persists that he is seriously considering a way to grant blanket amnesty to millions of illegal aliens – people who are here illegally – though he prefers to call them undocumented visitors. He has also decided that using the term “terrorist” is not going to work any longer in government documents, when referring to people of Muslim faith (even if they are terrorists). If he is successful at this, he will again have successfully circumvented due process. The Founding Fathers never wanted ONE branch of government to have too much power. It seems that President Obama is doing whatever he can to give himself as much power as possible.

      If Obama loses the next election, he will lose because of what he has done to this country and how he has ignored the will of the people – even those who voted for him.

  • 16. Granite  |  August 23, 2010 at 1:30 PM

    Re: “I think we are at a stalement here, Granite. I do not believe that he has shown the official long form birth certificate – the one that I have to show to get my passport, or to prove that I am a natural born citizen of the U.S.’

    I completely agree with you that Obama has not shown his long-form birth certificate. But you are wrong in thinking that the long-form birth certificate is the official birth certificate. the short-form Certification of Live Birth is now the official birth certificate, and it is used by thousands of people to get their passports ever year.

    The reason that Obama does not provide his long-form birth certificate is that Hawaii did not send it to him. Hawaii hasn’t sent it out since 2001.

    Although i did not like Obama bowing to foreign kings any more than you did, I think it was just a mistake. One explanation is that Obama comes from Hawaii, and that is the only part of the United States that was at one time a separate monarchy, and I think there are still some Hawaiian princes and princesses alive. In any case, it does not affect his Natural Born status, which is proven by the Hawaii birth documents and the confirmations of the Republican officials and the Kenyan grandmother’s statement, and this witness (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2170432/posts), and the fact that Obama’s mother did not have a passport in 1961 and the absence of any proof in Kenya or elsewhere that he was born there (except for obvious forgeries of course).

    There are still some birthers who think that he was born in Kenya, but then never explain how a child can be born in Kenya and then get to the USA without a visa on a foreign passport or without him being added to his mother’s passport while she and he were in Kenya. If either of these happened, there would be records of the application for those documents, which would be easy to find since they’d be filed under applications for visas or applications for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961, but no such documents have been found. No such documents exist.

    I repeat my point about lying and the danger of getting caught. Roger Clemens is not a public official. He may have thought that he could get away with it. State officials and governors are much smarter than that. If they lied, there would be far more change that they would lie AGAINST Obama rather than for him. After all, they are Republicans. Governor Linda Lingle has been highly critical of Obama, she just says that there are documents proving that he was born in Hawaii.

    It is absurd to think that Obama was born in Kenya. It was a terribly expensive trip in those days. Obama’s father could only afford to get to the USA on a donated chartered flight. It has been worked out that the cost of a round trip for two people would be about the equivalent of $20,000 in today’s dollar terms in 1961.

    In addition to the cost, there was the risk. There was very high risk of miscarriages in 1961, and so airlines often did not carry women late in pregnancy. Yet, for the Kenya myth to be true, Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled late in pregnancy, at very high expense, with all the risk of miscarriage on the plane, to give birth in a third-world hospital in a country where Yellow Fever was endemic, and then somehow get the child back to the USA without a US travel document such as a visa and somehow convince the officials in Hawaii that the child was really born in Hawaii. (Talk about lies, what gall it would be to claim that a child was born in Hawaii only short time after he would have been seen on a plane leaving Kenya).

    The governor of hawaii, and the witness agree that Obama was born in Kapolani Hospital in Hawaii. That is also the hospital that both Obama and his sister have always said that he was born at (the fact that one news agency got it wrong in one article does not change the fact that both of them have always said Kapolani).

    • 17. modres  |  August 23, 2010 at 1:47 PM

      You give way too much ground to Obama. Too much benefit of the doubt. It the tables were turned and it was a Republican with all these questions circling above his head, you can bet that the liberal media as well as the average person would not let any of this die. You seem to know a tremendous amount about Obama.

      “State officials and governors are much smarter than that.”
      I realize that Clemens is not a public official, but he had everything to lose as well. Again, I believe you are being naive and history has shown something far different. There have been many officials who have gone to prison for lying and misusing funds for their own advancement. You honestly believe all the officials who have lied in the political world have been caught? Again, that is naive. Look at Bill Clinton, who lied about having any type of sexual relations with “that woman.” Turns out, he DID and he lied to Congress about it. Was he impeached? No.

      Watergate and President Nixon. He was caught red-handed. Do you honestly believe he was the first president to do something like that? Hardly. He was the first one to get caught.

      I don’t see why they would lie against Obama even if there was no birth certificate. What would they gain? If they know that there was some grand scheme to place Obama in office and that there was tremendous power backing him, they would be foolish to go against him. It would be the end of their political career. Republicans and Democrats are not really that far apart ideologically.

      You keep saying that everything has been “proven,” and that’s fine for you. I don’t buy it, plain and simple. I just don’t buy it. You also keep going back to the birth certificate, when in fact I have pointed out that inconsistencies exist with his selective service card as well as the number of social security numbers allegedly identified with Obama.

      You keep talking about “birthers” like the Tea Party. Tea Party people want less government, fewer taxes and the like. What do the Dems do? Try to paint them as racists. In spite of the fact that on the day the two Black Congressmen were apparently pelted with racists epithets, not ONE video during that event proved them correct. A $100,000 reward has been offered to prove their claims and not one person has stepped forward yet.

      How does Barack Obama treat the Tea Party members? First, he laughs at them, then he jokes about how they should be THANKING him. Why, what has he done to lower taxes? Nothing. In fact, he has put our economy further in the hole and as soon as the Bush tax cuts come up for renewal, do you think he will be signing a bill that will EXTEND the cuts? I can’t imagine it. I believe he will let the time run out on those tax cuts then blame the INCREASE on the Bush Administration and the Republicans.

      Obama is a terrible president and I personally do not believe he is eligible to be our president. That aside, he is still a terrible president, who simply wants to take my money and “spread it around.” I’d rather keep it, thank you very much. Like it or not, President Obama is our president. I don’t like it and there’s really nothing that I can do about it except pray that he either resigns or does not win re-election.

      Granite, I believe we are at stalemate, as I stated. Thanks again for your comments but we are obviously on opposite sides and no amount of verbiage from either you or me will make a difference. Thanks again.

  • 18. Granite  |  August 23, 2010 at 10:22 AM

    Re: If Obama were a Republican, would I believe?

    Yes indeed I would. He has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii and two officials of Hawaii, members of a Republican administration with reason to worry that they would be penalized by other Republicans if they were found to have lied, have stated that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    So did the governor of Hawaii.

    Yes, people in government do lie, but not repeatedly and in things that they would be penalized about if they were proven to be lies. Ask yourself what would happen to the governor of Hawaii and to those two officials if they were found to have lied?

    What would happen to Adams if he were found to have lied? NOTHING. He has the right to lie about there not being documents. He is a private citizen. But he said that “everybody knew,” and nobody confirmed what he said.

    Ask yourself, do people sometimes lie because they hate someone who is in office? Well, we know that there have been forged birth certificates from Kenya. (What was the motive of the people who forged them?) And there have been videos of Obama in which words were cut out to make it seem like that Obama said “I was born in Kenya,’ when he never did and it would be the last thing in the world that he ever would say. And there are people who said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when the tape shows that she replied “Hawaii” when asked where he was born.

    Re the birth certificate being ‘forged.’ Only two guys who will not give their real names have said that. No official or former official has said it. The third person you claim that said that Obama’s posted document was forged actually only said that you could not tell whether it was forged or not from the Web document because that is not the real physical document itself. That is certainly true, and it knocks the hell out of the claims of the two anonymous “experts’ who claimed that it was forged. But most importantly it is not a claim that the document is forged. The McCain campaign looked into the allegation that the document was forged, and found that it was false.

    Re: “there is ample grounds to open an investigation.’

    Then why hasn’t anyone called for one?

    Personally, I do not oppose an investigation because I KNOW that it will show exactly what the officials in Hawaii and Obama’s Kenyan grandmother and this witness (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2170432/posts) all say, that Obama was born in Hawaii. If any congressional committee does undertake that investigation, the heads of that committee will look pretty stupid, because they will be doing the equivalent of investigating whether 2+3=5.

    Re impartial media. Okay, make that No media at all other than birther media has made any such allegation. No media, no member of congress, no official.

    Re: Who paid for his education? His grandparents weren’t that poor. They were executives in banks. And there were academic and work scholarships. If there were a shred of proof that someone from outside the USA had paid for Obama’s election or that he received aid as a foreign student, the Hillary and McCain campaigns would have been all over that issue.

    • 19. modres  |  August 23, 2010 at 1:01 PM

      I think we are at a stalement here, Granite. I do not believe that he has shown the official long form birth certificate – the one that I have to show to get my passport, or to prove that I am a natural born citizen of the U.S.

      The governor of Hawaii simply repeated what had already been stated.

      Yes, people in government do lie, but not repeatedly and in things that they would be penalized about if they were proven to be lies. Ask yourself what would happen to the governor of Hawaii and to those two officials if they were found to have lied?

      And you unfortunately and naively believe that anyone who does anything illegal in the government will eventually get caught. I wish I shared your optimism, but I don’t. While there have been examples of people within the government who ARE caught, you actually believe that all of them get caught? You think that people ask themselves “Hmmm, if I lie here, I could get tossed out of office and possibly even go to jail. No, I am going to be a straight arrow!” Again, the threat of punishment does not stop most people from doing things that are illegal. If it did, there would be far less crime in the world.

      Look at Roger Clemens. “I never took steroids” to a congressional committee. Turns out he did and will probably go to jail. While that may seem to prove to you that people get caught, not all get caught. I believe there are many within our government who slip through the cracks and part of the problem is the size of government. Obama wants to make it bigger as do most Democrats. Republicans want less government.

      Regarding the media…ALL media and I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on – are partial. In fact, ALL people are partial to an extent. The reason I believe the media has avoided the subject is the same reason they avoided many of the questions during Obama’s run for office. He was touted as the “hope,” the new “Jesus Christ,” etc. Looking back over his campaign run, it became very clear to me that the media gave Obama a pass, spending much time vilifying McCain, or Palin instead of focusing on anything Obama may have been accused of doing. If they DID mention it at all, it was quickly sequestered to the back page or dropped altogether.

      The problem with your allegations about McCain and/or Clinton being all over Obama’s campaign, the question arises concerning picking your battles. At the point of the campaign, these were just coming out as allegations. You’re running your campaign against your opponent and you have to decide what you are going to address. When it came to the fore, the Obama campaign was quick to question McCain’s credentials as well.

      Regarding his education, if it were that simple, it would not continue to be a problem.

      Look Granite, as for me, there are too many unanswered questions regarding his selective service card, his birth certificate, his ties to ACORN, his ties to a pastor he supposedly sat under for 20 years who ranted racism, and more. I’m convinced that Obama wants to turn this country into a Socialist regime, but others do not believe that.

      When the two members of the New Black Panter group essentially blocked the entrance to a polling place, the government did nothing. The Justice Dept stated that they were going to sue Arizona before they even read the new law. Obama sides with the president of Mexico against American citizens. He pushes through a health care situation that will require trillions of dollars and people will be forced to purchase health care…unless they are Muslim. If they are Muslim, they are exempt but taxpayers will foot the bill for the health care they will get free. He is the first president of the United States that has BOWED to dignitaries and officials from other countries. There’s a lot more that space permits here.

      We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. Thanks for all your comments, Granite.

  • 20. Granite  |  August 23, 2010 at 12:18 AM

    Re: Obama’s social security number or numbers and his selective service.

    Please remember that these allegations have been reported only by the birther media. No impartial media has confirmed them. NO Congressman has called for an investigation.

    Re the Kenyan officials saying that Obama was born in Kenya. The ambassador of Kenya is recorded as saying that in a radio interview, but he has said since–and remember that English is not his first language–that he misunderstood the question. This is highly likely. It reminds me of McCain during the campaign, who said something about the ‘Iraq-Pakistan border,’ but this was obviously wrong because there is no Iraq-Pakistan border; there are two countries between Iraq and Pakistan.

    But, supposing that the Ambassador of Kenya really believed what he said. Is this proof that Obama was born in Kenya? No, it is just the belief by a foreigner, which hardly compares with the legal weight of a US State’s OFFICIAL birth certificate confirmed twice by two officials of the state government involved.

    Moreover, IF a person were born in Kenya, she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother’s US passport to include him. One or the other would have had to have been applied for at a US Consulate in Kenya and granted before the child would be allowed to enter the USA.

    If such a document existed, it would be easy to find because the records of the application for the visa or for the change to the mother’s passport would still be in the files of the US State Department, filed under applications for visas and applications for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961. The Republicans were in charge of the US State Department until January 2009. No such document has been found. No such document exists.

    Re Tim Adams. Yes, he made that claim about two months ago. But no one has confirmed it. He stated that ‘everyone knew,’ but no one has confirmed. Not one person. Also, the officials in Hawaii have said since then that Adams and the others in his department did not have access to the birth records, so HOW did they know what Adams claims that they knew?

    The Wall Street Journal put it this way:

    “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”

    • 21. modres  |  August 23, 2010 at 8:31 AM

      “No impartial media has confirmed them”

      I’m sorry, but you actually believe there are IMPARTIAL media outlets? I don’t. The media has not been impartial for decades. Have you read Chester’s comments above? You should.

      “Re Tim Adams. Yes, he made that claim about two months ago. But no one has confirmed it.”

      Forgive me please, but you appear to be extremely naive. WHO is going to confirm it? NO ONE has directly denied what he has stated either. The Governor of Hawaii spent her time STATING that Obama was born in Hawaii long before Adams came to the fore. Now all of a sudden, she’s going to turn 180 degrees and confirm what he said?

      If you consider everything I have stated about Obama’s selective service card, the birth certificate, the question about his social security numbers and more, there is ample grounds to open an investigation. No one will and those who continue to accuse the president of not being a natural born U.S. citizen are told to get psychiatric help.

      All you are doing is choosing to believe that there is enough proof that Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S., just as the Ambassador of Kenya according to you “believes” what he said. You have made a choice and your choice is based only on your own beliefs, not fact.

      We are talking about the American government, the same government that says there are no such things as aliens and that they have never visited this planet. We are talking about this same government that supported all types of things in the past and pretended as if those things did not exist. We are talking about the same government that was involved in Ruby Ridge. We are also talking about the same government that has numerous question marks over 9/11 that they refuse to answer. I’m not a conspiracy buff, but when the Pentagon – the building with one of the most sophisticated set of security cameras in the world – has a security camera failure (except for 3 or 4 STILLS) during a time when it was needed most, something is wrong.

      I think you put too much faith in our government and those who lead it. Obama has found ways to circumvent the legal system to tear down the 2nd Amendment. He is trying to find a way to avoid having to go through Congress to grant blanket amnesty to millions of illegal aliens (undocumented visitors, as he calls them). I do not have as much faith in our government as you do. I have faith in the U.S. Constitution, but not in those who are trying to set it aside.

      You act as if everyone is completely above board and that no one in our government would ever consider lying, cheating, covering over falsehoods or anything like that. The reality is that there are people who have decreed that the “birth certificate” shown from Hawaii is fake. Moreover, there are problems with Obama’s selective service card, as stated. These things are either anomalies or there are actual problems.

      We do not even know who paid for much of Obama’s very expensive higher education! There are questions, questions, questions.

      If Obama were Republican, tell me, would YOU believe as you believe now?

  • 22. Chester  |  August 22, 2010 at 4:16 PM

    RE: “Technically, when applying for a passport, you are supposed to show a real birth certificate WITH the raised seal.”

    The passport agency accepts other proof as well. Also, they may have accepted the COLB instead of a certified bc with the doctor’s name, hospital and relevant info. So the passport proves nothing.

    They have to stop fighting the discoveries, tooth and nail, of the 50 or so lawsuits. When a judge allows discovery we will know the truth. Until that point – it is anyone’s guess.

    Furthermore, senators and presidents do not have to go through the ordinary processing when applying for passport. They automatically issued a passport without the supporting documentation.

    RE: “This proves that you have a right to have a U.S. passport to begin with because you have proven you are a naturally-born citizen of the United States.”

    First, the critical term is not “naturally born citizen” but natural born citizen (nbc). Check your constitution please.

    Most of his supporters are interchangeably using nbc with native-born citizen or just citizen. Now you added “naturally born citizen”.

    This is the favored Alinsky method being used by the media, politicians of both parties, and even some highly learned judges and lawyers, who have no excuse claiming that they are unable to read the constitution.

    So far this method is working well. The public is confused and the issue is being dismissed as ridiculous, along the same lines as extra-terrestrial-aliens living under the earth. This method was also very successfully used by the Soviet Union propaganda machine.

    • 23. modres  |  August 22, 2010 at 8:46 PM

      You’re right, Chester. It is natural-born citizen. Thanks for the correction. Thanks also for the additional information on the entire situation. I was not aware that senators and presidents do not have to go through the ordinary route to obtain a passport.

      What troubles me more than the issue being dismissed as ridiculous is the fact that numerous individuals in the military are being forced to undergo psychiatric testing because of their “errant” beliefs regarding Obama’s eligibility question.

      By the way, I recently obtained a pocket U. S. Constitution that I keep with me and read often. Prior to that, it was many years before I read it.

  • 24. Granite  |  August 21, 2010 at 11:22 PM

    Re: “The certificate number was blacked out and there was no sign of any state seal on the certificate at all.”

    The seal is on the back, where it is supposed to be. Obama’s campaign blacked out the numbers because they thought that the numbers would allow someone to hack into the Hawaii birth certificate database. That was wrong, but that was their motive.

    They showed the physical copy of the document to BOTH FactCheck and Politifact (a subsidiary of the St. Petersburg Times of Florida), and they both published the birth certificate without blacking out the number.

    The document, the Certification of Live Birth, is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues. It is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used every year by thousands of people. Hawaii has not sent out copies of the long-form birth certificate since 2001.

    The Certification is not forged. Only two guys who will not give their real names have claimed that it is forged. The McCain campaign looked into the allegations that the document was forged, and found them false.

    More importantly, it is the facts on the document that count, particularly the fact that he was born in Hawaii, and that fact was confirmed twice by the officials of the Department of Health of Hawaii and the Department of Vital Records of Hawaii, and most recently by the governor of Hawaii, a Republican. There is even a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961 and writing home about it (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2170432/posts).

    By the way, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying. And, she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

    “Then why is he spending millions…’ you may ask. Answer: He isn’t. There never has been a lawsuit against Obama for his birth certificate or for documents. The vast majority of lawsuits were to stop the election, stop the Electoral College from voting or stop the Inauguration. After the election, the relatively few lawsuits against Obama tried to have courts declare that Obama is not president. In our system, you have to defend against all lawsuits, no matter how stupid they are.

    Re: “what they can to avoid showing an actual birth certificate, which makes you wonder WHY? It’s really simple. If he has an actual birth certificate with a state seal on it, then show it.”

    Answer: Obama has shown the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and the only birth certificate that Hawaii has sent out since 2001. It was also the birth certificate that Hawaii sent to Obama in 2007. Obama was the first and so far the only US president to publish his birth certificate. McCain did not publish his birth certificate, although he did show it to at least one reporter.

    • 25. modres  |  August 22, 2010 at 9:50 AM

      Thank you for the information and I also appreciate your demeanor in presenting that information. The difficulty persists because we have actual Kenyan officials claiming that Obama was born there.

      Beyond this, we have Tim Adams, an elections clerk from Hawaii who has stated, “‘There is no birth certificate,’ said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. ‘It’s like an open secret. There isn’t one. Everyone in the government there knows this’. Adams, who says he’s a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, ‘I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters’ identity’. He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama’s constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois. ‘I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver’s license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone’s identity,” Adams explained. ‘I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]’.” [1]

      There are obviously issues remaining surrounding the birth certificate of Obama.

      Furthermore, now that at least three document authentication experts have declared the scanned ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ Obama’s campaign team gave to a pro-Obama website to be an obvious phony; we know that he is hiding something here as well. [2]

      Then we have the selective service situation: “More recently, it was discovered that Obama’s Selective Service card may have been doctored. Federal law requires all American males to register for the Selective Service (the draft) in case a major war broke out. Blogger Debbie Schlussel has discovered solid evidence that Obama’s Selective Service registration form was submitted not when he was younger as required, but rather in 2008 and then altered to look older. Indeed, the forgers forgot to alter the “Document Location Number” which shows that it is clearly a 2008 form. This is fraud and it’s a felony and Schlussel allegations are backed up by Stephen Coffman, a former high-ranking Federal agent. Moreover, the document shows a September 4th, 1980 date and the location of the transaction as Hawaii, but at that time Obama was thousands of miles away attending Occidental College in Los Angeles.” [3]

      Indeed, everywhere one looks into Obama’s background, we find sealed records, scrubbed websites, altered documents, deception and unanswered questions. Can anyone imagine for a second if John McCain or George Bush had blocked access to his school, medical, and birth records? It would have been headlines but as with everything else concerning Obama, the media has given him a pass on this.” An excellent question. If all of this mystery surrounded Bush or McCain, or Palin, how do you think the American people would be reacting?

      Finally, what of the mystery surrounding his Social Security card numbers? “Of all these marvels, the latest mystery and probably most perplexing is that of Obama’s social security number. It appears that Obama has multiple identities in term of possessing numerous social security numbers. Orly Taitz, an attorney who has filed numerous suits against Obama regarding his eligibility to serve as president, appears to be the first to discover this. In her suit, representing a number of military officers who are refusing to serve under an ineligible commander in chief, she hired private investigator Neil Sankey to conduct research on Obama’s prior addresses and Social Society numbers. Using Intelius, Lexis Nexis, Choice Point and other public records, Sankey found around 25 Social Security numbers connected with Obama’s name.In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042 and one starting 364.

      “In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999.

      “There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485.”

      There are WAY too many questions that remain unanswered here, and as I say, if these questions and mysteries applied to Bush or McCain, I believe all the stops would have been pulled out to determine the truth of the matter. Obama has really not helped the issue at all, nor have his lawyers, who have repeatedly applied for injunctions or something else to halt information from being released.

      You said, “Obama was the first and so far the only US president to publish his birth certificate.” That is likely due to the fact that he spent so much time away from the United States and of course, the questions of his association with Islam persists as well. In other words, there are so many questions, it is pitiful. With respect to McCain, does anyone really believe he is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States? His history, including his military service is an open book. Not so with Obama, as there are too many closed chapters.

      It should be a law that anyone and everyone who opts to run for the highest office in the land must prove that they are naturally-born in the United States. If they cannot (or refuse to) prove their eligibility to the American people, then they become ineligible to run for office. It’s simple.

      Thanks again for your comments and again, thank you for your polite demeanor.

      [1] http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=165041
      [2] http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/
      [3] Ibid


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