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• 1. basenjimom89  |  April 1, 2020 at 11:41 AM

  I usually enjoy your articles but I cannot overstate how troubled I am by this one and also by the last one you wrote on the coronavirus pandemic. If the USA was the only country affected, and the only one to institute these severe measures I would have every sympathy with the concerns raised here but it is not. Many countries around the world (I am in the UK) are battling this virus and finding it necessary to institute severe measures to reduce transmission. Are they all part of some great conspiracy to curtail our democratic freedoms? I accept it is possible that globalist elites are somehow controlling all of the worldwide data but I cannot think how they could control personal stories and pictures coming out of hard hit European countries that verify the official story, or how they could control the academic press in its totality? And in your own country – do you think that the scenes we are seeing from New York City are some sort of smokescreen? That the health system is not overwhelmed? Our (UK) deaths yesterday included a 13 year old and a 19 year old – neither had underlying conditions, and there is every possibility that they could have been avoided.
  I have a background in both medicine and public health and I can assure you that the measures adopted (rigorous hygiene measures, social distancing, restrictions on travel, banning gatherings etc) are all time honoured, normal public health containment measures when facing a novel viral pandemic without recourse to any treatment or vaccination. We have forgotten this, having not faced a pandemic of this nature in our lifetimes but those in other countries who have faced epidemics of measles, cholera or ebola, even those who still have memory of facing smallpox or polio epidemics, will be familiar with these measures. I have read emails that colleagues have received from their friends and colleagues in Italy and France and it is crystal clear from these emails that the media is not exaggerating the scale of the epidemic in these countries, or the devastation to their health systems.
  Comparing covid-19 numbers with annual seasonal influenza numbers is like comparing apples and pears. The annual seasonal influenza numbers are just that – annual, covid-19 numbers are not even close to annual yet and with a reproduction number much higher than influenza and a mortality that may be up to 20 times that of seasonal influenza I would be surprised if the eventual covid-19 numbers are not many times greater. If they are not then it will be because of the severe, restrictive measures that have been put in place to reduce transmission, and not because covid-19 is somehow less deadly. Your comment about SARs numbers is also not accurate. SARs claimed 800 lives worldwide, in 2003/2004 not 2009, covid-19 deaths worldwide are currently 44,200, even the USA figures on their own are currently greater than the worldwide figures for SARs although I do agree that the case fatality rate for SARs was higher than covid-19. The 2009 pandemic was swine flu and although you are right that the total deaths from swine flu, worldwide, were higher than the CURRENT death toll for covid-19, two of the key differences between this virus and swine flu are the reproduction rate – covid-19 is more readily transmissible; and the mortality rate – covid-19 is around the 2% mark, swine flu’s mortality is 0.02%. Given covid-19’s much higher mortality we stand to see many, many more deaths from covid-19 before it is contained.
  I do not disagree that there is every possibility that globalists will use this pandemic to hasten the formation of a one world government and I will watch what transpires with eyes wide open regarding prophecy, but please do not underestimate the seriousness of covid-19, its mortality, or its potential to bring your health service to its knees.

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  • 2. modres  |  April 1, 2020 at 12:40 PM

    Could you please provide me proof that COVID-19 is more readily transmissible than any other known disease? I’ve read those articles and I’ve also read articles negating that information, also written by medical professionals. It would seem that MSM has taken the side of those who say that COVID-19 is extremely contagious and is a greater killer than any other virus. Is it possible that MSM is simply ginning up the fear to help create panic throughout society?

    Thank you for your correction concerning SARS. I’ll continue to research it.

    Here’s an interesting fact: just over 155,000 people DIE every DAY throughout the world. That breaks down to just over 6,500 people per HOUR. [1] So in the time it has taken me to read your comments, research information and compose this response, 6,500 went from this life to eternity.

    From the research that I’m reading (by medical professionals), the idea that we can shelter in place to stop the growth of a virus (any virus), is absurd. It’s actually impossible. How would we know it’s “gone”? We can’t. At any given point in time, society is filled with colds, the flu, and many contagious viruses that pass from one person to the next. People get sick (and many die) all the time and society has never been shut down.

    Yet, we are to believe that Coronavirus is “novel” and requires hard measures like shutting down society to ensure its defeat? I’m not buying it because it is impossible to know when/if it is actually defeated. Totally impossible. The people who are most affected by this or any virus, cold or flu are those with comped or weakened immune systems. Often this is the elderly or infirm.

    Everyone points to Italy as the “model” that could happen here. The problem with Italy is that they use socialized medicine, they have one of the largest elderly populations in all of Europe and many, many Chinese nationalists live and/or travel to and from Italy (back to China) because China purchased many of the factories in Italy. This was occurring even up to the start of the virus that originated in Wuhan, China. Then of course, Italy had their “hug a Chinese day” in the midst of this virus.

    When was the last time America EVER shut down? During the 2018-2019 flu season, “647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died,” according to the CDC. [2] A couple of questions: First, why weren’t hospitals overloaded and overburdened THEN? Second, why wasn’t society shut down and people told to shelter in place at that time? Just under 62,000 people DIED because of the flu!

    If you personally believe Coronavirus is much easier to become infected with and it is deadlier, then stay home and do not go out for anything. Will you be doing your immune system any good? Not from what I’m reading. Even though we are fallen human beings because of sin, which has comped our bodies, our immune systems are designed by God to help us overcome health issues in society. Those with strong immune systems are far more apt to overcome, while those with weak or comped immune systems will not necessarily overcome and might die.

    At any given time in society, there are MANY colds, the flu, viruses and everything else roaming around trying to find hosts. People with good working immune systems may be affected but usually overcome, even if they have to rely on medications to accomplish that. People with comped or weakened immune systems end up in the hospital or dead.

    Look around in American society and just consider people in general. Too many “shuffle” because they cannot walk right. They are morbidly obese (and I used to be one of those, so I’m not condemning them). Because they are obese (because of what they eat), their immune systems suffer greatly. THOSE people should stay home. You do NOT quarantine an entire society because people MIGHT become ill. It simply should not work that way.

    This past January, I became infected with something that I was completely unfamiliar with. It didn’t feel like a normal cold, virus or even the flu. It started with a sore throat and cough, along with a fever. It was very strange because I had not been sick in a very long time since I had lost 100 pounds because of a complete lifestyle change. I reluctantly went to a walk-in clinic. My voice was almost gone and I was achy. They tested me for the Flu and it came up negative. At that point they were not able to test for COVID-19. They treated me as if I had the Flu with an accompanying virus anyway. It took two weeks to get over most of the symptoms and it took another two weeks for my voice to come back. But during that time, I was not laid up in bed, though I was certainly more tired than usual. I was not overcome by it. Chances are good that I had contracted COVID-19. If so, I am immune from getting it again and I am not contagious to anyone else.

    What troubles me also is that the MSM will constantly talk about all the people infected by COVID-19, but rarely if ever discusses the people who recovered from it. In fact, the MSM seems to enjoy presenting numbers of those infected as if it is a forgone conclusion that they will die! I’ve read many of their posts on social networks and they are almost in glee expecting (hoping?) people will die so they can blame it on Trump.

    One doctor in NY has cured over 500 patients suffering from COVID-19 with Hydroxichloroquine and other medications. [3] Yet, certain governors of specific states are banning the use of this drug, which has been around for DECADES and its efficacy is well known. Why is that? They clearly think that President Trump just pulled this medication out of the air, not that he was briefed on it by medical professionals. Will those governors be held responsible for people who die but could have been saved by Hydroxicloroquine?

    You are responsible for you as I am for me. I am not giving out medical advice here. I am discussing the pros and cons of sheltering in place and the potential harm it is doing to the American economy and people in general. If you disagree with me, that’s perfectly fine. You’re not the first or last.

    My biggest question is what type of new “normal” are we heading towards? Is it one where the government will now be free to shut down society in part or in whole every time we have some new “novel” virus? Let’s face it, Coronavirus has been around for decades, but each time a new virus is found in society, it is also “novel” because that virus has not been around before.

    Will this all end in mandatory vaccinations for the populace against our will and those who refuse will be seen as the enemy? Years ago, I received a flu shot and regretted it because I got a form of the flu and had to be treated. My wife experienced the same. Since then, I’ve not gotten any vaccinations for the flu or other things, but I can see a day coming because of the hype regarding COVID-19 where there may not be a choice regarding whether or not we can refuse to be vaccinated. It may simply start with people like yourself seeing people like me as “selfish” and the “enemy” because I’m not caving to the fear-mongering or panic. If someone wants to get a vaccination, they are free to do so. Whether I get one or not will not impact them, will it?

    I really do not believe I am underestimating anything. In fact, there are medical people far more knowledgeable than me whom you would also argue are underestimating COVID-19.

    Have a nice day and I do thank you for your comments.

    [1] https://www.reference.com/world-view/many-people-die-day-world-b5a2258c374cba57
    [2] https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/
    [3] https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/03/31/how-us-doctor-treated-covid-19-patients-with-anti-malaria-drug/

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    • 3. basenjimom89  |  April 1, 2020 at 1:34 PM

      May I just correct you on your first point where you state that I said covid-19 was more transmissible than any other known disease – I did not at any point state that. If you read my comment carefully you will see that I stated that covid-19 is more readily transmissible than both seasonal influenza, and swine flu. Seasonal influenza has a reproduction rate around 1.28 (https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2334-14-480) and swine flu around 1.5 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3084966/). Covid-19’s reproduction rate is not yet as certain as it is a novel virus and we are still learning about it but many sources estimate it to be between 2.5 and 3 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7074654/).
      Clearly this is higher than both seasonal and swine flu and given the exponential nature of viral epidemic growth this seemingly small difference in reproduction number is actually very significant.
      I also agree that it is difficult to make direct comparisons between countries with very different demographics, however I have seen nothing to suggest that what is happening in Italy (and now Spain and France) is an exaggeration or could not happen elsewhere.
      My question regarding ‘sheltering in place’ is ‘who is your neighbour’ and does your right to liberty trump someone else’s right to life or health? Our actions will impact those around us who are not so easily able to ‘shake off the virus’ as you were. And yes, I agree that there were probably cases in a number of countries much earlier than is currently thought.
      If testing for antibodies becomes widely available then we (and you) will be able to test and see who is immune, having had the virus, and who is not.
      On the rest we will have to agree to disagree, time will tell.

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    • 4. modres  |  April 1, 2020 at 1:47 PM

      Feel free to read this article, written by a Cardiologist out of Tennessee.
      http://mercyseat.net/mscc/docs/COVID-19-Analysis.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2wl1Hf2jNK8Pt-x5SPLG_xyM47TcbhsXuLRrMQx6KEzmn9LKU6lc8Bdpw

      Italy has its own unique problems that are not necessarily indicative of the rest of the world. I think I’ve alluded to them in my previous response to you.

      If my neighbor is concerned about my health, should they not then remain inside? I am actually following guidelines of my community when I go out (we are “allowed” to do that here) and remain at at least 6 to 10 feet away from people. My neighbors are free to remain inside, so the question can be reversed, “Does their concern and/or unwillingness to remain inside trump my freedom to follow the guidelines set forth by the community?” In other words, anyone who is concerned can easily go beyond the established guidelines and sequester themselves inside their home, but to expect EVERYONE to do that is tantamount to house arrest when it is not part of my community guidelines. There are counties/cities not far from me that have curfews and other things. I obey those guidelines, but I think they’re unnecessary. Because of my obedience, I believe I am “loving” my neighbors.

      In the county of the state where I live, there has not been ONE instance of Coronavirus infection noted and people are out and about.

      Even in a blue state like California where people are ordered to remain at home, they ARE allowed to go to the store or other “essential” places of business to meet their needs. I “love” my neighbor by remaining the requisite distance from them. I wash my hands frequently, but I refuse to panic or become alarmed over Coronavirus.

      I won’t be willingly “tested” for Coronavirus or any other health issue unless I feel as though I’ve contracted something.

      And yes, I’m fine with agreeing to disagree. Thanks very much for your comments.

      PS – You live in the UK which does not have the 1A, the 2A, or the 4A. You are essentially under house arrest from orders given by your PM. Here in America, we have freedoms that are not “given” but “guaranteed” under the Constitution.

      Nowhere can I recall that the United States has been under lock down due to a health threat and to force the entire society to be under one without declaring/enacting Martial Law goes strictly against the Constitution of the United States of America. The UK does not have that type of freedom because you are not a Constitutional Republic as the USA is, so you must abide by whatever the leaders dictate.

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  • 5. Taylor  |  April 1, 2020 at 12:46 PM

    “Comparing covid-19 numbers with annual seasonal influenza numbers is like comparing apples and pears”….you also referenced France. Here’s a claimed study from France, study from one of the nations that is getting slammed.

    Just asking a simply question here, who has the burden of proof when you are creating 32% unemployment, worse than the Great Depression?

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    • 6. modres  |  April 1, 2020 at 1:29 PM

      Yes, I agree, and so far, I’ve not seen proof that Coronavirus is more contagious than anything previous to it. In fact, Dr. O’Roark in the link below explains this thoroughly.

      I’m working on another article, but here is a link to an EXCELLENT ten page report written by Cardiologist, Daniel O’Roark, DO, FACC from Tennessee. I’ll be including the link in the next article, but you (and anyone who sees this) can read through it now. It’s very well written and in layman’s terms.

      http://mercyseat.net/mscc/docs/COVID-19-Analysis.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2wl1Hf2jNK8Pt-x5SPLG_xyM47TcbhsXuLRrMQx6KEzmn9LKU6lc8Bdpw

      Here’s another article I’ll be referring to and while I don’t necessarily agree with his take on allowing elderly to simply die, he makes some cogent points regarding what has been happening throughout the world.

      https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-lockdown-lunacy-1001322696?fbclid=IwAR2DDskyIyEigV5wVmdyod9vgyDohT07C3yv5_FeZUQX4TXzOF1FZjGqLlI

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• 7. Terri Lewis  |  April 1, 2020 at 10:27 AM

  There was a comment that “flattening the curve” does not mean fewer people will get sick. This is true, but in the case of a novel virus, it could mean that not so many people will get sick all at once, and hospitals will not be overwhelmed. . .so, those who do get very sick from this will still be able to access some emergency care if they need it.

  I don’t know if hospitals are really being overwhelmed or if they will be, but if this new virus is (initially) quite bad, that could be the case.

  I don’t think government has the right to continue with this indefinitely, and some of the things we are being asked to do will not necessarily help. However, we do have historic precedent with the Spanish flu of 1918, and that experience suggests that several months of what we are calling social distancing–actually helped quite a bit that first season of the virus.The vaccine they introduced–on the other hand–led to more death.

  I agree they intend to try to control us more and more. We are to be brave in the face of this. God gives us a strong spirit and a sound mind. We are to do His will and not worry overly much about our enemies and their plans. We need to be aware of their plans (and we are, I think, many of us) but the focus should be on playing offense, not defense. As they ramp up their efforts, we ramp up ours and we also pray and expect that whatever is asked of us–we will be given the power to do it.

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  • 8. modres  |  April 1, 2020 at 10:47 AM

    Thanks Terri. While I firmly believe govt has the right to recommend or strongly suggest, they do not have the right to shutdown under the Constitution unless they first declare Martial Law and I don’t want that.

    Every new virus is “novel” but to shutdown all of society based on possibility that everyone might get it is absurd and overkill in my opinion.

    All the original models about this virus are being walked back. Hospitals are not being overwhelmed and in fact CBS news was recently caught passing off an overwhelmed hospital in ITALY as that of a NYC hospital. Todd Starnes took video of at least one hospital in NYC that looked like a ghost town.

    It seems to me govt is creating the panic and fear and we must ask WHY? What is it govt is attempting to accomplish?

    The economy is going to crash even as it is propped up by the $2 trillion relief bill. Of that $25 went to Kennedy Center and I wonder how much of that goes BACK to DNC with Kennedy Center being used to “launder” that money?

    We are being told shelter in place will extend to April 30. How many small businesses will go belly up because they are not considered essential while Planned Parenthood remains open to slaughter more children?

    This alone is bringing God’s judgment on America so we are reaping what we’ve sowed.

    The govt needs to stop throttling our rights. While they might argue that churches can still “meet” digitally, the reality is that not all churches can do that.

    We are being told to social distance and meet in groups no larger than 10, which ultimately means that we cannot gather in peaceful protest, another strike against our freedoms.

    I honestly do not see anything good coming from this extended shutdown. It is wrong and in our history we have never had the give come in and shutdown virtually all of society before. This is unprecedented and wrong, in my opinion.

    Bottom line is that more and more doctors are telling us (now that everyone is already panicking), that ultimately, Coronavirus is not all that different from a seasonal flu, but possibly a bit worse.

    Those who have weak or comped immune systems will be adversely affected. Those with strong immune systems will be mildly or not affected.

    The longer we remain social distancing the more potential harm we do because our immune systems do not have the chance to fight off something we may lightly come in contact with.

    I’ll be talking more about this in an upcoming article.

    Thanks again, Terri!

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• 9. Taylor  |  April 1, 2020 at 8:31 AM

  The premise that somehow “flattening the curve” means the total number of people will get this virus will be smaller is a lie, simple as that.

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  • 10. modres  |  April 1, 2020 at 9:45 AM

    And the false connection between getting virus and dying from it is being blurred as if it’s one in the same.

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    • 11. Taylor  |  April 1, 2020 at 11:23 AM

      Any number of things relating to this entire issue are being blurred and I agree with your point wholeheartedly.

      If you suppress a virus with these measures you do not change the outcomes, only delay them, ergo you only change timing, and in addition you take all the economic and social damage from those mitigation measures.

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    • 12. modres  |  April 1, 2020 at 11:34 AM

      Yes, thank you! I cannot believe how many people I come across on Twitter or other social networks who are so quick to obey the government without question. They take the position that anyone who opposes the shutdown is “selfish,” and therefore the “enemy.” The govt and MSM have created this fear and paranoia.

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• 13. Hope  |  April 1, 2020 at 6:17 AM

  Reblogged this on 1 Way 2 Yahweh.

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  • 14. modres  |  April 1, 2020 at 9:44 AM

    Thank you!

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• 15. Hope  |  March 31, 2020 at 5:41 PM

  Have you seen the documentary called, “We’re living in 12 monkeys”? It’s one of the most informative that I’ve seen. They totally agree with you. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=1JLBXfKDbbI

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  • 16. modres  |  March 31, 2020 at 5:51 PM

    No, I have not. Thank you for the link. I’ll check it out.

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• 17. Ken Anderson  |  March 31, 2020 at 4:34 PM

  Thank you for your words and I must agree with your comments! I have recently return to my earlier childhood church and was rebaptized to renew acceptance of God’s Grace and Son Jesus! I was somewhat appalled when the church Elders and ministers cancelled the first Sunday Service. My faith in God was prepared to accept God’s Words to be with those that accept Jesus as our Savior and felt God would not allow evil to come into His Sanctuary! I wanted to say, Oh Ye of Little Faith!! God Bless America and Come We Quickly!

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  • 18. modres  |  March 31, 2020 at 5:26 PM

    In every previous situation, when people felt ill, they STAYED home. Doctors are telling us (though it’s not being reported by the MSM), that this social distancing is creating problems for us because our immune systems work to fight things off that are not beneficial for us. Those who are already NOT healthy will often become infected with some new virus, flu or cold. Their immune systems still may successfully fight it off (with or without the help of medicine), but for healthy people, it’s often much easier and by social distancing, our immune systems don’t have a chance to fight things off at all.

    I simply don’t understand how quickly everyone caved to the demands of government. Previously, we used common sense and discernment. Now, we’ve stopped using that and simply blindly obey the government. What’s next, mandatory vaccinations for COVID-19 or some other health problem down the road? It will further enrich people like Bill Gates and pharmaceutical companies and only God knows (literally) what would be injected into our bodies. Come quickly is right!

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• 19. Terri Lewis  |  March 31, 2020 at 4:11 PM

  I think next time can be different if we handle this God’s way. More and more people are waking up to the way they manufacture events and use them to control us. I do believe this new virus (man-made if you ask me) is going to wreak havoc for a while and we would do well to learn from the so-called Spanish flu of 1918. The vaccines they will inevitably come up with will be too little, too late and in the meantime, even MORE of us can learn additional truth–God willing. Since their deadly vaxx will be delayed this time, we are all using other means to stay healthy–eating right, isolating IF sick, keeping away from others (for a time). . .perhaps those lessons will stick with at least some of us and we will relearn the value of herbs, vitamins, rest, and positive beliefs. The danger, of course, is that too many will continue to do this for far too long. If we simply begin to slowly resume normal life, however, we may overcome their little plans. God also has plans for his people and those plans include free will and wisdom.I pray for the governors of each state that they will be able to walk that line of keeping people safe but not allowing economic destruction for all of us!

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  • 20. modres  |  March 31, 2020 at 4:19 PM

    Thanks for your comments, Terri. I wish I had your optimism, but I don’t share it 🙂 I know too many Christians who’ve simply accepted what they believe is the best “common sense” in spite of the fact that the government is “enforcing” shelter in place instead of simply recommending it. As I”m sure you know, while Coronavirus IS a real health threat, most people are not affected by it and even of those who are, the total number of deaths doesn’t even come close to last year’s Flu season or the 2009 SARS epidemic.

    I think the government’s near end game is to create so much fear and panic in society that when they come out with a vaccine, people will clamor for it and people like me who won’t willingly take it will be seen as the “selfish enemy” who wants to hurt society, not help. If you have the time, listen to the sermon I linked to in my article. Pastor Trewhella notes the problems of Italy and why the numbers are so high. They’re artificially high and he tells why. It appears that globalists/elite are desperate to create the necessary fear/panic so that we will willingly comply.

    By the way, I of course, agree with you that eating the correct foods goes a long way in creating health in people, something that too few do today.

    Thanks again, Terri!

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    • 21. Eric  |  March 31, 2020 at 8:39 PM

      Hello Dr. DeRuvo,

      I agree with your assessment that the globalist elite are desperate to create the necessary paranoia, fear and panic in order that we comply willingly. No one can confirm how much of the data/reports are actually skewed, inflated or flawed with most of the population hiding behind closed doors. Who can actually . confirm all of these figures and numbers? I mean REALLY. It is insane! To take advantage of a crisis of this magnitude at this stage can be very easy for the globalists/elite to take the necessary control they desire. That is, take it as far as they can however far it takes them. The plan is ingenious but it is also evil. With the useful idiots of the mainstream media working in their favor with their ‘fake news,’ the ruse may go much further than what is deemed necessary, reasonable or justifiable for that matter. I will make it a point to listen to Pastor Matthew Trewhella. Thank you for the information, Dr. DeRuvo. God bless you.

      — Eric

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    • 22. modres  |  March 31, 2020 at 9:03 PM

      Thanks for your comments, Eric.

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